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18 hours ago, makapaka said:

Crookes co op. They had signs up apologising to customers. 

 

I’ve no interest in making things up so believe me if you want - I’m not bothered. 

Thanks. As it happened, not long after we'd both posted I saw the photos of the very bare but not completely empty shelves and the explanation from the store management.

 

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They did indeed have a temporary delivery problem which seems to be an admin issue. We both know a much as each other now. 

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We Co-op Crookes team are sincerely sorry to all our lovely customers for the problems we're facing and be assured we're working hard to try and fix...We're hoping it's merely a blip as our delivery process has been updated and will hopefully soon be back on track which will allow us to get the store running as normal. If you'd like to drop a comment click > https://www.coop.co.uk/contact-us/comments-about-a-store
Alternatively our customer service team on 0800 068 6727.
Our Store specific number is 8581 or our address can be used 196-198 Crookes.
We at store level are just as upset and frustrated as our customers as not being allowed to function at our usual levels isn't something we aim for.
Regards Crookes Co-op Team

Presumably the shelves were groaning with produce next door at Sainsburys or at the greengrocer across the road. It's hardly a Soviet situation.

16 hours ago, Frans2755 said:

The point is you left the eu and the customs union and you are now a third country. You can jump high and low but that is what you are. 

When you are not a member we protect our market.  I am sure your politicians told you of the consequences before you voted.

Perhaps you didn't get the thrust of my post so I'll have another go at being clearer. 

 

Imports from the EU to the UK are receiving few checks. This isn't a problem by all accounts. 

Exports from the UK to the EU are subject to onerous and excessive checks. This is an unnecessary problem. 

 

Trade is the same both ways in all day-to-day practical senses, but it appears that paperwork problems are being invented by one half of the equation. 

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11 minutes ago, Tony said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps you didn't get the thrust of my post so I'll have another go at being clearer. 

 

Imports from the EU to the UK are receiving few checks. This isn't a problem by all accounts. 

Exports from the UK to the EU are subject to onerous and excessive checks. This is an unnecessary problem. 

 

Trade is the same both ways in all day-to-day practical senses, but it appears that paperwork problems are being invented by one half of the equation. 

Yes I did get the thrust of your post.

 

The UK was offerred an extention of the period for the implimentation of the rules, which means loads of documents.

The UK government refused. 

 

The EU had their systems up and running so went ahead on the set date.

The implimentation has been defferred again until next year, that is not the EU fault.

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22 minutes ago, Tony said:
19 hours ago, makapaka said:

Crookes co op. They had signs up apologising to customers. 

 

I’ve no interest in making things up so believe me if you want - I’m not bothered. 

Thanks. As it happened, not long after we'd both posted I saw the photos of the very bare but not completely empty shelves and the explanation from the store management.

 

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Nice to see somebody apologise when they make a mistake. Good on you for not ducking the matter when you were proved wrong.

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4 hours ago, Anna B said:

What right do we have to patrol their seas? Just asking.

How would we like it if the Chinese turned up patrolling the Atlantic or North Sea?

Sounds quite an antagonistic move to me.

It's not "their seas" we are patrolling. There are territorial disputes in the South China Sea. (The name of the area doesn't imply the whole area is Chinese any more than the name "Irish Sea" implies the whole area part of Ireland.) China have been trying to bolster their claims to the disputed areas by various measures including building oil rigs and artificial islands with air bases.

 

The patrolling by US, UK and French navies (amongst others) are freedom of navigation operations aimed at keeping sea areas open to all shipping and not be restricted by one nation.

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There is no evidence to support any alleged shortage in one supermarket has anything to do with Brexit.  I've just been out shopping and there was no shortage of anything in the regular supermarket I use. In fact the supermarket was over stocked in fresh food and there was a cornucopia of big reductions for fresh food on offer as a consequence of the surplus of fresh food. What I'm looking forward tonight is some rather tasting looking premium pork sausages reduced from £3.15 to 0.79.  My freezer is getting nearly full from the bargains on offer.  After the supermarket trip I enjoyed a couple of pints of a guest ale (IPA) called Danish Dynamite priced at 1.99  (brewed in Wiltshire) in Wetherspoons which still isn't suffering any shortages. 

 

Cheers to the remainer losers  and a special three cheers for Brexit.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, West 77 said:

There is no evidence to support any alleged shortage in one supermarket has anything to do with Brexit.  I've just been out shopping and there was no shortage of anything in the regular supermarket I use. In fact the supermarket was over stocked in fresh food and there was a cornucopia of big reductions for fresh food on offer as a consequence of the surplus of fresh food. What I'm looking forward tonight is some rather tasting looking premium pork sausages reduced from £3.15 to 0.79.  My freezer is getting nearly full from the bargains on offer.  After the supermarket trip I enjoyed a couple of pints of a guest ale (IPA) called Danish Dynamite priced at 1.99  (brewed in Wiltshire) in Wetherspoons which still isn't suffering any shortages. 

 

Cheers to the remainer losers  and a special three cheers for Brexit.

 

 

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You are not on the ball, if you would have waited a day you could have fished them out of the container for free.

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16 minutes ago, West 77 said:

There is no evidence to support any alleged shortage in one supermarket has anything to do with Brexit.

Except all the supermarkets saying it’s because of brexit.

 

 

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@Carbuncle It's just a matter of facts really. I don't see anything wrong with productive discussions rather than entrenched shouting matches where everyone is bawling their biases at each other. It's quite tricky on a thread about Brexit - a topic where the most committed souls fail to engage their brain - but we could give it a go and see if we can eek out a bit of the old-style SF. :)  

 

 

 

 

@Frans2755 You didn't get the thrust of what I was saying but thanks for clarifying your point, it will make it easier for me to be clearer.

 

My point is that the "rules" in all practical sense are not working. This is underlined by the fact that the EU is implementing with considerable and disproportionate vigour and trade is suffering for both UK and EU businesses. At the same time, the UK isn't doing much at all and the sky hasn't fallen in yet and doesn't look like it ever will. 

 

We can only draw one conclusion; that the "rules" are inappropriate and should either be ignored in whole or part (as the UK is) or rewritten to suit the real world situation. 

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2 hours ago, Mister M said:

And if you believe Westy, us Brits have a great deal to feel superior about. Such as:

Germany's Culture Minister is a trained art historian,

France's Culture Minister wrote a book on Verdi,

The new UK Culture Secretary ... ate an Ostrich anus on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here.

 

 

 

🤣🤣 Very good M.

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1 hour ago, Tony said:

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Imports from the EU to the UK are receiving few checks. This isn't a problem by all accounts. 

So long as no-one (China, Russia, the US…) takes issue with it at the WTO.
 

In the meantime, this smugglers’ charter situation is a huge problem for every domestic UK business undercut by competitors the world over.

1 hour ago, Tony said:

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Exports from the UK to the EU are subject to onerous and excessive checks. This is an unnecessary problem. 

 

Trade is the same both ways in all day-to-day practical senses, but it appears that paperwork problems are being invented by one half of the equation

The EU27 checks on UK goods are the exact same, as always performed in respect of goods incoming from third party countries, with the degree of scrutiny proportional to the existence and depth of any FTA.
 

There are no paperwork problems ‘invented’, just paperwork and procedures resumed from when the UK had abandoned them 30 years ago, when the Single Market was created.

 

Leaving the Single Market, moreover with a thin ‘Canada’-grade FTA on goods-only without rules of origin baked in (ie a ‘hard’ Brexit) and therefore precipitating this return to standard TPC goods customs paperwork and procedures, was a deliberate choice and policy of the UK.  Steadfast, when one considers how many times the UK rebuffed the EU27’s offers of time extensions and easements.
 

Now please explain to me, why on earth should the EU stop the UK from pursuing its own sovereign policies?
 

Then please explain to me, why on earth should the EU stop the UK from experiencing the standard, fully-predictable and fully-predicted, consequences of its own sovereign policies?

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5 minutes ago, makapaka said:

Except all the supermarkets saying it’s because of brexit.

 

 

My local supermarket hasn't any supply problems hence the surplus of food and price reductions.  Brexit is a convenient excuse for all businesses for a variety of reasons. Marks and Spencer has today used Brexit as an excuse for ending a partnership in France for supermarkets  but are still staying in France in the lucrative motorway French services. 

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28 minutes ago, West 77 said:

My local supermarket hasn't any supply problems hence the surplus of food and price reductions.  Brexit is a convenient excuse for all businesses for a variety of reasons. Marks and Spencer has today used Brexit as an excuse for ending a partnership in France for supermarkets  but are still staying in France in the lucrative motorway French services. 

You do realise they were reduced as they go out of date tomorrow don't you? 😂

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