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36 minutes ago, carosio said:

I'm not sure why people want to be part of an organization which wants, as its main objective, to be unified politically and economicaly, ie integrated into one country/federation. The succession of past treaties indicate the way things are going.  Anyone care to guess what will be in the next EU treaty?

You should ask the Scots about that.

 

Or the Welsh.

 

Or the Irish.

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11 minutes ago, sibon said:

You should ask the Scots about that.

 

Or the Welsh.

 

Or the Irish.

They did ask the Scots in 2014 and they gave the answer they wanted to remain part of the UK.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

They did ask the Scots in 2014 and they gave the answer they wanted to remain part of the UK.

And? Things have changed alot since then, they're parliament is overwhelmingly SNP, of course they should get another vote or scotland stops being a union and more of a colony.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

They did ask the Scots in 2014 and they gave the answer they wanted to remain part of the UK.

Maybe it is time to ask again.

 

After all the lies of the last few years, they might have changed their minds.

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18 minutes ago, sibon said:

Maybe it is time to ask again.

 

After all the lies of the last few years, they might have changed their minds.

Many voted to stop in the Union to keep in the EU seeing no need for independence at that time. 2016 referendum changed that the UK left the EU many Scots voted to stay in the EU pulse the direction of the Westminster government has many Scots concerned with Tories going more and more to the right and nationalist overtones making them rethink their place in the union.

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32 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

And? Things have changed alot since then, they're parliament is overwhelmingly SNP, of course they should get another vote or scotland stops being a union and more of a colony.

Yes things have changed since then. In 2014 the SNP had an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament and today they don't have an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament.

 

31 minutes ago, sibon said:

Maybe it is time to ask again.

 

After all the lies of the last few years, they might have changed their minds.

A generation hasn't passed since the Scottish independence referendum meaning it's no time  to ask again anytime soon.

 

Yes the SNP must have been lying when they said the 2014 referendum was a once in a lifetime chance for Scotland to gain independence.

 

6 minutes ago, GabrielC said:

Many voted to stop in the Union to keep in the EU seeing no need for independence at that time. 2016 referendum changed that the UK left the EU many Scots voted to stay in the EU pulse the direction of the Westminster government has many Scots concerned with Tories going more and more to the right and nationalist overtones making them rethink their place in the union.

You do know that many Scottish people voted  to remain part of the UK in 2014 and voted to leave the EU in 2016? Those seeking independence in Scotland do so not because they want independence otherwise they wouldn't want to be a member of the EU but because they have an inferiority complex about the English.

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27 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Yes things have changed since then. In 2014 the SNP had an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament and today they don't have an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament.

 

A generation hasn't passed since the Scottish independence referendum meaning it's no time  to ask again anytime soon.

 

Yes the SNP must have been lying when they said the 2014 referendum was a once in a lifetime chance for Scotland to gain independence.

 

You do know that many Scottish people voted  to remain part of the UK in 2014 and voted to leave the EU in 2016? Those seeking independence in Scotland do so not because they want independence otherwise they wouldn't want to be a member of the EU but because they have an inferiority complex about the English.

It is so lovely to see your selective support for democracy.

 

Or hypocrisy, as some would call it.

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8 minutes ago, sibon said:

It is so lovely to see your selective support for democracy.

 

Or hypocrisy, as some would call it

Not at all selective.  I don't try to re-write history. It's a historic fact that David Cameron granted Scotland an independence referendum because the SNP won an overall majority in the Scottish parliament in 2011. It's a historic fact that the SNP didn't win an overall majority in the recent Scottish parliament elections.  History also tells us that a SNP overall majority in the Scottish parliament doesn't mean that the majority of the Scottish electorate want independence otherwise they would have voted to leave the UK in 2014.  The truth is losers of referendums twist and cherry pick stats etc to try  to justify having another referendum because they didn't win the original referendum. The remainers argued voters had changed their mind regarding Brexit which proved to be false when the Brexit party won the EU elections that took place in 2019 and the Tories won a 80 seat majority in the December General Election during the same year.

 

The truth is what everyone who respects democracy calls it.

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2 hours ago, sibon said:

You should ask the Scots about that.

 

Or the Welsh.

 

Or the Irish.

Ok, if there are any on here, please comment.

 

So, back to yourself, do you want the EU to further integrate?

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16 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Not at all selective.  I don't try to re-write history. It's a historic fact that David Cameron granted Scotland an independence referendum because the SNP won an overall majority in the Scottish parliament in 2011. It's a historic fact that the SNP didn't win an overall majority in the recent Scottish parliament elections.  History also tells us that a SNP overall majority in the Scottish parliament doesn't mean that the majority of the Scottish electorate want independence otherwise they would have voted to leave the UK in 2014.  The truth is losers of referendums twist and cherry pick stats etc to try  to justify having another referendum because they didn't win the original referendum. The remainers argued voters had changed their mind regarding Brexit which proved to be false when the Brexit party won the EU elections that took place in 2019 and the Tories won a 80 seat majority in the December General Election during the same year.

 

The truth is what everyone who respects democracy calls it.

If the will of the people scares you so much, just say so.

 

There is no need to hide behind endless streams of waffle.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Yes things have changed since then. In 2014 the SNP had an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament and today they don't have an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament.

 

A generation hasn't passed since the Scottish independence referendum meaning it's no time  to ask again anytime soon.

 

Yes the SNP must have been lying when they said the 2014 referendum was a once in a lifetime chance for Scotland to gain independence.

 

You do know that many Scottish people voted  to remain part of the UK in 2014 and voted to leave the EU in 2016? Those seeking independence in Scotland do so not because they want independence otherwise they wouldn't want to be a member of the EU but because they have an inferiority complex about the English.

How many seats are they short of majority? Have I read it wrong and are the Tories or Labour the dominate party in Scotland?  

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14 minutes ago, sibon said:

If the will of the people scares you so much, just say so.

 

There is no need to hide behind endless streams of waffle.

We already know the will of the people from recent referendum and general election results.

 

It's rather amusing you label real true facts not to your liking  as waffle.

 

4 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

How many seats are they short of majority? Have I read it wrong and are the Tories or Labour the dominate party in Scotland?  

I think they were just one or two seats short of an overall majority.  The pro independence mob argue that the seats won by the Green party gives them an overall majority which is nonsense.  Voters choose to vote for the Green party for a number of reasons such as not hating trees.  If truth was known even Nicola Sturgeon doesn't want an independence referendum soon because the likelihood is they would be defeated by a bigger margin than in 2014.

 

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