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Vaati

Let me make this perfectly clear - any personal attacks will get you a suspension. The moderating team is not going to continually issue warnings. If you cannot remain civil and post within forum rules then do not bother to contribute.

 

In addition to remoaner we are also not going to allow the use of libdums or liebore - if you cannot behave like adults and post without recourse to these childish insults then please refrain from posting. If you have a problem with this then you all know where the helpdesk is. 

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2 hours ago, convert said:

By my (admittedly rough and ready) calculations, that makes them about 2 months behind on first vaccine and a month behind on full vaccination. Taking into account the EMA didn't approve the vaccines until over a month after the MHRA they're in a similar position to what we were at the time, particularly with the fully vaccinated.

 

However, I would have thought this is more for the Coronavirus thread rather than the Brexit one - every country in the EU is free to use the EU procurement program or not. It's up to individual countries to decide.

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10 hours ago, West 77 said:

The anti Brexit brigade refuse to accept that the UK vaccine rollout has been so successful because of Brexit.  If Remain had won the EU referendum the UK would have followed Germany, France etc and relied on the EU to sort out the vaccine program.  Hungary were the first EU country to source their own vaccine (Russian) because of the slow  poorEU effort.

You state that the successful vaccine rollout was due to Brexit and then admit that it was up to individual states to chose their own program. Also, if remain had won the referendum Johnson wouldn’t be prime minister and we wouldn’t have had the appalling death toll due to his total lack of leadership.

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9 hours ago, John1954 said:

You state that the successful vaccine rollout was due to Brexit and then admit that it was up to individual states to chose their own program. Also, if remain had won the referendum Johnson wouldn’t be prime minister and we wouldn’t have had the appalling death toll due to his total lack of leadership.

I’d argue the fact that the UK death toll is because we have Bojo as PM.

it’s far more complicated than that.

 

The fact that we have an ageing population, mass obesity, high rates of Diabetes, and to be frank an NHS that is inefficient, are all contributing factors.

 

Another significant aspect of our COVID death figures has to be the way they have been recorded. 
Looking at our cases per million, we rank 44th in the world at this moment, which to me, considering our population density, is not as bad as it would have been without Government restrictions.

 

 

 

 

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I really have no opinion on it but the thread has been loaded right from the start when the title of the thread begins with consequences, which implied something bad. It could equally have been a loaded, " The benefits of brexit ". What it should have been was a  neutrel,  " The results of brexit".

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11 hours ago, John1954 said:

You state that the successful vaccine rollout was due to Brexit and then admit that it was up to individual states to chose their own program. Also, if remain had won the referendum Johnson wouldn’t be prime minister and we wouldn’t have had the appalling death toll due to his total lack of leadership.

Yes, I acknowledge it was possible for every EU member to source their own vaccines in the same way the UK have done. The reality is that Brexit forced the UK Government to stand up on their own feet on many issues which is one of the reasons I supported the UK leaving the EU. In the past I've acknowledged membership of the EU has been used by previous UK Governments as an excuse for doing nothing over issues that had a negative impact on the UK.  Now the UK has fully left the EU then future UK Governments can no longer pass the buck. Boris Johnson wouldn't have been Prime Minister if Parliament hadn't  blocked the implementation of Brexit during Theresa May's time as Prime Minister.  I don't blame Boris Johnson for any covid-19 related deaths.

 

1 hour ago, spilldig said:

I really have no opinion on it but the thread has been loaded right from the start when the title of the thread begins with consequences, which implied something bad. It could equally have been a loaded, " The benefits of brexit ". What it should have been was a  neutrel,  " The results of brexit".

You make a valid point.  The phrase  'Suffer the consequences'  springs to mind.

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On 03/05/2021 at 19:38, convert said:

Even better, regarding Brexit:

 

Of the Conservative party: “political piracy … They will go to any length. The current team in Downing St is not up to the challenges of Brexit nor to the responsibility that is theirs for having wanted Brexit. Simply, I no longer trust them.”

 

On the UK's civil servants:

"dignified, competent and lucid" but “They have above them a political class who, in part, simply refuse to acknowledge today the direct upshot of the positions they adopted a year ago.”

 

On Global Britain:

“I do wonder what, until now, has prevented the UK from becoming ‘Global Britain’, other than its own lack of competitiveness. Germany has become ‘Global Germany’ while being firmly inside the EU and the eurozone.”

 

On May's Lancaster House speech:

“I am astonished at the way she has revealed her cards … before we have even started negotiating.”

“Have the consequences of these decisions been thought through, measured, discussed? Does she realise this rules out almost all forms of cooperation we have with our partners?”

 

On Boris re: the need for customs and quality checks on the Irish border:

it was “my impression that he became aware, in that discussion, of a series of technical and legal issues that had not been so clearly explained to him by his own team”.

 

On Nigel Farage:

[behaved] “irresponsibly, with regard to the national interests of their own country. How else could they call on people to make such a serious choice without explaining or detailing to them its consequences?”

 

On the FTA negotiations:

There remains "real incomprehension, in Britain, of the objective, sometimes mechanical consequences of its choices”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/05/tory-quarrels-betrayals-uk-post-brexit-future-barnier-eu

 

Edited by Magilla

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1 hour ago, spilldig said:

I really have no opinion on it but the thread has been loaded right from the start when the title of the thread begins with consequences, which implied something bad.

No, it doesn't. Actions have consequences, they may be good or bad.

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1 hour ago, spilldig said:

I really have no opinion on it but the thread has been loaded right from the start when the title of the thread begins with consequences, which implied something bad. It could equally have been a loaded, " The benefits of brexit ". What it should have been was a  neutrel,  " The results of brexit".

Consequences can be either positive or negative. 

Though I seriously question whether people's contributions would've been different had the title of the thread read 'the results of brexit'. Had the thread title been 'the benefits of brexit', I doubt whether the thread would've got past blue passports, immergrants and phony patriotism 

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27 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Now the UK has fully left the EU then future UK Governments can no longer pass the buck.

Which of course, in regard to the N.I.Protocol, is precisely the opposite of what the UK government has tried to do.

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21 minutes ago, Magilla said:

No, it doesn't. Actions have consequences, they may be good or bad.

As post 3113.

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2 hours ago, spilldig said:

I really have no opinion on it but the thread has been loaded right from the start when the title of the thread begins with consequences, which implied something bad. It could equally have been a loaded, " The benefits of brexit ". What it should have been was a  neutrel,  " The results of brexit".

Give me some tangible positives.

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1 hour ago, Magilla said:

 

Which of course, in regard to the N.I.Protocol, is precisely the opposite of what the UK government has tried to do.

It's still early days and I expect the UK Government to take unilateral action if the EU continue to behave unreasonable. Like wise I expert the UK Government to take tough action against the French if they continue to threaten to cut off the electric supply for Jersey.

 

Rule Britannia.

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