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22 hours ago, Delbow said:

A friend in Ireland has just told me the the border between NI and the Republic has more crossing points than the Canada/USA border and the EU's eastern border combined. That would seem to make a hard border between the two impossible, so we are stuck with a border in the Irish Sea. 

But most legit bussinesses would not run illegal lorries.

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Just looking at the FTSE 100 and 250, in the last 5 years the FTSE 100 has increased by around 9% whereas the FTSE 250 has increased by 30%

So the large internatioanal companies are doing less well when compared to the smaller UK companies. I am not an expert on these matters, is that correct?

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2 hours ago, El Cid said:

But most legit bussinesses would not run illegal lorries.

Isn't the point of a customs border to prevent illegal border crossings?

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17 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Brexit, another win... for the EU:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-56731570

 

yes i suppose you could say that but really its just good business sense? they are not shutting the uk warehouses just adding to match capacity?

Edited by ab6262

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12 minutes ago, ab6262 said:

they are not shutting the uk warehouses just adding to match capacity?

They're moving jobs that were previously done in the UK, into the EU.

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"I actually think it wasn't properly thought out", he said. You don't say?

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Here is a brilliant take on Brexit by James Dyson.

 

Brilliant, because once you start analysing what he is actually saying, you know that he is lying through his teeth about basically everything, but he is a Sir and an 'icon' of British ingenuity, so clearly he has to be right. The lack of criticality in this BBC article is disturbing to be honest.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56741000

 

 

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20 minutes ago, tzijlstra said:

Here is a brilliant take on Brexit by James Dyson.

 

Brilliant, because once you start analysing what he is actually saying, you know that he is lying through his teeth about basically everything, but he is a Sir and an 'icon' of British ingenuity, so clearly he has to be right. The lack of criticality in this BBC article is disturbing to be honest.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56741000

Yes I read it, made me laugh.

 

So many benefits... that he can't actually detail a single one!

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So, as it is my lunch-hour, here is a breakdown of the lies: 

 

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First paragraph: Brexit has given the UK back its independence and boosted innovation, inventor Sir James Dyson has said. 

 

Truth: Science funding in the UK is down enormously compared to before Brexit and research institutions across the country have sounded the alarm bell at the lack of commitment from the government to invest in science. 

 

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Second paragraph: we can employ people from all around the world 

 

Truth: Already could do that... It has just become a lot harder to recruit people from the EU though, so overall it is a net-loss. 

 

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Paragraph 6 & 7: "We're a British company - I've put a lot into this country," he said.

"I can't make things here and bring over all the components from the Far East here, assemble them here and then send them back to the Far East. That just doesn't work."

 

 

Truth: Dyson is HQed in Singapore since 2019. It is no longer a British company therefore. It might want to sell more goods in SEA, but there is no reason to move the entire HQ (and thus tax responsibility) to Singapore, he could have just opened a regional office there, which is what most other companies have done. 

 

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Sir James said the end of the UK's transition period with the EU, had enabled Dyson to hire the engineering talent it was lacking in the UK.

Although the new Points Based System might make it easier for Dyson to hire non-EU engineering talent, it has also lost the ability to hire EU engineering talent without any system required. It is very difficult to see how Dyson wins from the new system...

 

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He said that the invention of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine showed that the UK had "an independence of spirit" that was now able to shine through.

AstraZeneca is UK/Swedish, it works with an Italian manufacturer after the UK government asked Oxford to work with AZ and then thwarted the production agreement with a US manufacturer. Guess what, 2020 the UK was still operating as part of the EU. Also, I haven't a clue what 'independence of spirit' means but I am fairly sure every nationalist in the world will claim at least something similar. 

 

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"It would be arrogant to think that we could design and develop products for Asia and Britain," he said.

Yes it would, as it would be to suggest that you couldn't move to Asia due to the EU. Because you moved to Asia, when the UK was still in the EU. Even though Dyson doesn't say it explicitly, the article is about how it is great to be out of the EU... Smoke, mirrors and all that. 

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40 minutes ago, tzijlstra said:

Here is a brilliant take on Brexit by James Dyson.

 

Brilliant, because once you start analysing what he is actually saying, you know that he is lying through his teeth about basically everything, but he is a Sir and an 'icon' of British ingenuity, so clearly he has to be right. The lack of criticality in this BBC article is disturbing to be honest.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56741000

 

 

Does the chuff think that everyone who's worked on the AZ vaccine is British? Also, he was able to employ people from all over the world (subject to visa requirements) before Brexit, that's not a product of Brexit.

 

It's very likely there will be some benefits to Brexit, but having to invent some is not a good sign. If there were lots of benefits there'd be no need to make any up.

Edited by Delbow

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19 hours ago, Magilla said:

They're moving jobs that were previously done in the UK, into the EU.

My bold. 

 

Er?  No they aren't.  Point out exactly in the BBC thread where it states jobs are being lost in the UK? 

 

Stating that the jobs could have been in the UK is different to actually loosing 1,000 jobs in the UK, which JD Sports are not doing.  

 

The BBC piece is actually an update of an earlier story from Feb 2021 now that the site has been chosen for the warehouse. 

https://www.business-live.co.uk/retail-consumer/jd-sports-build-1000-job-19805461

 

There's a bit of 'Could have been / might have been' if not for Brexit in the piece from the J D Sports boss that people seem to misinterpret as gospel. 

 

"JD Sports' boss Peter Cowgill has said a 1,000-job warehouse that may have been constructed in the UK will now be built in the EU due to the impact of Brexit." 

Edited by Baron99

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