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9 hours ago, Baron99 said:

Time to break out the drinks.  Sadly it doesn't look as though there will be much in way of the French grape juice around in the coming months.

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210409-most-of-france-s-grape-harvest-destroyed

 

But never mind, here's a great opportunity for the UK to sell our award winning wines to the French, to help them through the upcoming months. 

The vineyards round the Med were largely unaffected and produce many times more bottles than the UK - plus the French drink mainly red and the UK produces mainly white. 

 

Quality UK wine would have to be at least 50% cheaper to compete in France - the biggest enemy to UK wine production is the duty levied by HMG.

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9 minutes ago, Longcol said:

The vineyards round the Med were largely unaffected and produce many times more bottles than the UK - plus the French drink mainly red and the UK produces mainly white. 

 

Quality UK wine would have to be at least 50% cheaper to compete in France - the biggest enemy to UK wine production is the duty levied by HMG.

The duty levied is a problem. There is a far greater one though, economies of scale. U.K. vineyards produce a small amount of decent enough wine, but they end up charging £12 for a very average product. I can buy better wine for less in France, including duty. English wine will never become mainstream simply because it is too expensive, in relation to its quality. 

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6 minutes ago, sibon said:

The duty levied is a problem. There is a far greater one though, economies of scale. U.K. vineyards produce a small amount of decent enough wine, but they end up charging £12 for a very average product. I can buy better wine for less in France, including duty. English wine will never become mainstream simply because it is too expensive, in relation to its quality. 

Don't think it's all down to scale - nearest vineyards to me - IGP Domme - is half the size of the the largest UK vineyard - Denbies - but still charges half the price.

 

In the dim and distant past I seem to recall Malcolm Gluck in his "Superplonk" column in the Guardian showing the huge differential in taxation - ie you could buy a bottle of French wine in France (including all taxes) for quite a bit less than the tax /duty levied on a similar bottle in the UK , never mind production costs etc.

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Where British wine really competes is in the high end sparkling whites, but Champagne accounts for about 1.5 million bottles per year of France's wine output of around 7-8 billion bottles.

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40 minutes ago, nightrider said:

Well that didn't take long - less than 4 months after Brexit and the army has been sent back into NI:

 

https://www.cityam.com/northern-ireland-special-forces-deployed-in-belfast-as-riots-continue/

 

Let's hope it has a happier ending than the last time this was thought to be a good idea.

 

 

There you go, regurgitating project fear.

 

Nect thing you’ll be telling lies about crippling delays at our borders and fishermen unable to sell their catch.

 

Oh. Hang on...

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This is terrible news. It risks undoing the whole peace process (God, let's hope not). I've no confidence in Johnson sorting it out, his primary concern will be avoiding taking any responsibility.

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3 minutes ago, Delbow said:

This is terrible news. It risks undoing the whole peace process (God, let's hope not). I've no confidence in Johnson sorting it out, his primary concern will be avoiding taking any responsibility.

There isn’t a way to sort it out. It is an inevitable consequence of Brexit. Just one of the many downsides to a stupid idea.

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A friend in Ireland has just told me the the border between NI and the Republic has more crossing points than the Canada/USA border and the EU's eastern border combined. That would seem to make a hard border between the two impossible, so we are stuck with a border in the Irish Sea. 

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1 hour ago, Delbow said:

A friend in Ireland has just told me the the border between NI and the Republic has more crossing points than the Canada/USA border and the EU's eastern border combined. That would seem to make a hard border between the two impossible, so we are stuck with a border in the Irish Sea. 

The story only holds up when referring to all approved and unapproved Irish crossings. Many of which include footpaths and tracks.
The comparative figures used from USA & EU are the official road crossings.

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21 minutes ago, enntee said:

The story only holds up when referring to all approved and unapproved Irish crossings. Many of which include footpaths and tracks.
The comparative figures used from USA & EU are the official road crossings.

Thanks for that. Doesn't that make it even harder to have an operable border though?

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8 hours ago, Delbow said:

Thanks for that. Doesn't that make it even harder to have an operable border though?

It does indeed make a hard border very difficult.

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