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Brexit will never be ' done' it's on going and the situation in Northern Ireland is bubbling away. The trade deals done by Liz Truss are simply copy and paste ones we already had with the EU many trades done notably the Japan and Australia deals leave us worst off giving the other side the greatest advantage. Business are suffering due to lack of access to the Single Market confusing paperwork over customs also many banks have taken money out of the City of London also down to the lack access to EU banking system . I'm struggling to see any benefits to Brexit only downsides only hearing about sovereignty great but it does not pay the bills and we seem to have developed this strange idea we are still an empire we are not that era is long gone. We have gone backwards in so many ways and leaving future generations with a real problem. When Johnson was a reporter for the Telegraph he wrote two articles for the remain case but when he thought he could have an chance at been Prime Minister he wrote one for leaving. In Johnson own mind leaving was an bad idea but just plays along to keep him in power nothing more .

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I'm not sure why people want to be part of an organization which wants, as its main objective, to be unified politically and economicaly, ie integrated into one country/federation. The succession of past treaties indicate the way things are going.  Anyone care to guess what will be in the next EU treaty?

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29 minutes ago, carosio said:

I'm not sure why people want to be part of an organization which wants, as its main objective, to be unified politically and economicaly, ie integrated into one country/federation.

The UK? :hihi:

1 hour ago, hauxwell said:

It’s not very often I look at this thread now.

Leave voters dislike reading stuff that highlights their own stupidity!

 

Not exactly a shocker revelation :?

 

I wouldn't if I voted leave either, what an embarrassing shambles...

 

 

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36 minutes ago, carosio said:

I'm not sure why people want to be part of an organization which wants, as its main objective, to be unified politically and economicaly, ie integrated into one country/federation. The succession of past treaties indicate the way things are going.  Anyone care to guess what will be in the next EU treaty?

You should ask the Scots about that.

 

Or the Welsh.

 

Or the Irish.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

They did ask the Scots in 2014 and they gave the answer they wanted to remain part of the UK.

And? Things have changed alot since then, they're parliament is overwhelmingly SNP, of course they should get another vote or scotland stops being a union and more of a colony.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

They did ask the Scots in 2014 and they gave the answer they wanted to remain part of the UK.

Maybe it is time to ask again.

 

After all the lies of the last few years, they might have changed their minds.

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18 minutes ago, sibon said:

Maybe it is time to ask again.

 

After all the lies of the last few years, they might have changed their minds.

Many voted to stop in the Union to keep in the EU seeing no need for independence at that time. 2016 referendum changed that the UK left the EU many Scots voted to stay in the EU pulse the direction of the Westminster government has many Scots concerned with Tories going more and more to the right and nationalist overtones making them rethink their place in the union.

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27 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Yes things have changed since then. In 2014 the SNP had an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament and today they don't have an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament.

 

A generation hasn't passed since the Scottish independence referendum meaning it's no time  to ask again anytime soon.

 

Yes the SNP must have been lying when they said the 2014 referendum was a once in a lifetime chance for Scotland to gain independence.

 

You do know that many Scottish people voted  to remain part of the UK in 2014 and voted to leave the EU in 2016? Those seeking independence in Scotland do so not because they want independence otherwise they wouldn't want to be a member of the EU but because they have an inferiority complex about the English.

It is so lovely to see your selective support for democracy.

 

Or hypocrisy, as some would call it.

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2 hours ago, sibon said:

You should ask the Scots about that.

 

Or the Welsh.

 

Or the Irish.

Ok, if there are any on here, please comment.

 

So, back to yourself, do you want the EU to further integrate?

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16 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Not at all selective.  I don't try to re-write history. It's a historic fact that David Cameron granted Scotland an independence referendum because the SNP won an overall majority in the Scottish parliament in 2011. It's a historic fact that the SNP didn't win an overall majority in the recent Scottish parliament elections.  History also tells us that a SNP overall majority in the Scottish parliament doesn't mean that the majority of the Scottish electorate want independence otherwise they would have voted to leave the UK in 2014.  The truth is losers of referendums twist and cherry pick stats etc to try  to justify having another referendum because they didn't win the original referendum. The remainers argued voters had changed their mind regarding Brexit which proved to be false when the Brexit party won the EU elections that took place in 2019 and the Tories won a 80 seat majority in the December General Election during the same year.

 

The truth is what everyone who respects democracy calls it.

If the will of the people scares you so much, just say so.

 

There is no need to hide behind endless streams of waffle.

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Yes things have changed since then. In 2014 the SNP had an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament and today they don't have an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament.

 

A generation hasn't passed since the Scottish independence referendum meaning it's no time  to ask again anytime soon.

 

Yes the SNP must have been lying when they said the 2014 referendum was a once in a lifetime chance for Scotland to gain independence.

 

You do know that many Scottish people voted  to remain part of the UK in 2014 and voted to leave the EU in 2016? Those seeking independence in Scotland do so not because they want independence otherwise they wouldn't want to be a member of the EU but because they have an inferiority complex about the English.

How many seats are they short of majority? Have I read it wrong and are the Tories or Labour the dominate party in Scotland?  

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24 minutes ago, West 77 said:

We already know the will of the people from recent referendum and general election results.

 

It's rather amusing you label real true facts not to your liking  as waffle.

 

I think they were just one or two seats short of an overall majority.  The pro independence mob argue that the seats won by the Green party gives them an overall majority which is nonsense.  Voters choose to vote for the Green party for a number of reasons such as not hating trees.  If truth was known even Nicola Sturgeon doesn't want an independence referendum soon because the likelihood is they would be defeated by a bigger margin than in 2014.

 

So they have achieved less than 50% of the overall vote?

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