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20 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I think that you will find many instances questioning the wisdom of Brexit long before your post,and which have been answered in terms of Sovereignty and border control.

Our supposed freedom to trade with the rest of the world on our own terms was always a bit of a stretch and increased friction with the EU,coupled with a global tendency towards protectionism makes this a more distant fantasy.

Ease of trade between countries is a hard won and necessary feature of the global economy for small businesses,and major industries,and we as a nett importer will sustain damage to our economy.

Even the vaccines,which some would claim to be a positive of Brexit,are dependant on hundreds of component parts from around the world,as are their production sites.

Over to you for the benefits.

But you still have not answered the question posed in post #2921 on how a hard Brexit has been catastrophic!

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21 minutes ago, apelike said:

But you still have not answered the question posed in post #2921 on how a hard Brexit has been catastrophic!

Catastrophic is your terminology.

I prefer retrograde,ill considered,damaging and a costly exercise based on falsehoods and phobias fed to a gullible electorate,by a far right bunch of self serving loonies.

You bought it and will now pay for it

 

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2 hours ago, apelike said:

But you still have not answered the question posed in post #2921 on how a hard Brexit has been catastrophic!

The U.K. has already suffered from Brexit. The economy has slowed, and many businesses have moved their headquarters to the EU. The Netherlands has lured 140 Brexit-wary companies since the 2016 referendum to quit the EU, it was claimed in February. That is just one country.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/02/19/brexit-number-of-companies-relocating-to-the-netherlands-is-accelerating

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-no-deal-uk-netherlands-company-relocation-a9080666.html

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4 hours ago, RJRB said:

Catastrophic is your terminology.

No it was terminology used by sibon in post #2908 which is why I asked the poster in what way it had been catastrophic, which I never got a reply to. You then decided to try using a strawman to turn the discussion your way as you really can't accept that Brexit has not been catastrophic.

 

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I prefer retrograde,ill considered,damaging and a costly exercise based on falsehoods and phobias fed to a gullible electorate,by a far right bunch of self serving loonies.

See above.

 

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You bought it and will now pay for it

The way things have gone over the past year or so the cost of covid will overtake any shortcomings Brexit may have and we all will be paying for that.

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37 minutes ago, apelike said:

The way things have gone over the past year or so the cost of covid will overtake any shortcomings Brexit may have and we all will be paying for that.

No-one thinks that is likely, be that the UK government, the BofE, or the LSE.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-uk-economy-brexit-vs-covid-19/

"simple arithmetic shows that, in present value terms, Brexit is expected to be by far the bigger shock"

 

The Brexit deal is done but the damage to the UK economy is just getting started:

https://qz.com/1950179/a-brexit-deal-is-done-but-the-uk-economic-impact-is-just-starting/

Britain has punched itself in the face

 

Meanwhile, loyalist protests against the N.I.Protocol arranged for Friday evening were cancelled as a mark of respect for Prince Philip :thumbsup:

 

Edited by Magilla

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1 hour ago, apelike said:

No it was terminology used by sibon in post #2908 which is why I asked the poster in what way it had been catastrophic, which I never got a reply to. You then decided to try using a strawman to turn the discussion your way as you really can't accept that Brexit has not been catastrophic.

 

See above.

 

The way things have gone over the past year or so the cost of covid will overtake any shortcomings Brexit may have and we all will be paying for that.

You aren’t automatically entitled to a reply, you know. In your case, you only ask questions to derail debate, and I’m not playing.

 

We can all see the damage that has been caused by Brexit, pretending otherwise is disingenuous. I’ll leave you to look up the accounts of firms who can’t trade properly with the EU, the examples of fishermen who can sell their catch, and many other impediments to trade with our most important partners.

 

I do agree that Covid could easily end up costing more than Brexit. However Brexit was self-harm and covid was not.

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1 hour ago, apelike said:

No it was terminology used by sibon in post #2908 which is why I asked the poster in what way it had been catastrophic, which I never got a reply to. You then decided to try using a strawman to turn the discussion your way as you really can't accept that Brexit has not been catastrophic.

 

See above.

 

The way things have gone over the past year or so the cost of covid will overtake any shortcomings Brexit may have and we all will be paying for that.

Shall we just call it disastrous and proceed to catastrophic when suitable.

I would really like a few pointers as to why and how it is beneficial and successful as promised by some and believed by others,and this is not a straw man ,just an invitation for you to clarify what others don’t see.

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4 hours ago, sibon said:

You aren’t automatically entitled to a reply, you know. In your case, you only ask questions to derail debate, and I’m not playing.

Playing or not it was you who said it was a catastrophic disaster so it's up to you to explain why it was and so far you have not been able to do that. I asked you to explain why it has been catastrophic and you have failed to do so.

 

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We can all see the damage that has been caused by Brexit, pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

We, who is this we? And no its not disingenuous as it's you that has to show and prove what damage has occured and so far all we have is "MAY"

 

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I’ll leave you to look up the accounts of firms who can’t trade properly with the EU, the examples of fishermen who can sell their catch, and many other impediments to trade with our most important partners.

So it seems you cannot explain what catastrophic means! 

 

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I do agree that Covid could easily end up costing more than Brexit. However Brexit was self-harm and covid was not.

Does that matter? It's about what is happening now and nothing less.

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Come on everyone, time for a celebration. It's 100 days exactly since the UK finally left the EU.   Here's to the next milestone, a further 900 days on. 

 

Time to break out the drinks.  Sadly it doesn't look as though there will be much in way of the French grape juice around in the coming months.

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20210409-most-of-france-s-grape-harvest-destroyed

 

But never mind, here's a great opportunity for the UK to sell our award winning wines to the French, to help them through the upcoming months. 

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I find the debate whether Brexit has been 'disastrous' or not quite interesting, for obvious reasons. I have to say I have mellowed over the last year in terms of my conviction that it is going to be an utter disaster. 

 

It is really difficult to state what the exact impact is, simply because Covid has just whammied its way into the conversation... in the ongoing debate there are blindspots, which is happening on both sides of the debate by the way and I fully accept that. But stating that it is all fine is too simple an escape from the reality of the impact. 

 

To me the problem is that a lot of the impacts are only affecting individuals and businesses, as such the cumulative weight of the consequences of Brexit is incredibly difficult to describe. 

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1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

 

 

But never mind, here's a great opportunity for the UK to sell our award winning wines to the French, to help them through the upcoming months. 

Not at those prices (although it is very good)

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3 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

It is really difficult to state what the exact impact is, simply because Covid has just whammied its way into the conversation... in the ongoing debate there are blindspots, which is happening on both sides of the debate by the way and I fully accept that. But stating that it is all fine is too simple an escape from the reality of the impact. 

 

To me the problem is that a lot of the impacts are only affecting individuals and businesses, as such the cumulative weight of the consequences of Brexit is incredibly difficult to describe. 

Do we even measure inflation the same as before?

Prices seem to be rising, yet inflation is hardly moving. we use CPI to measure inflation, but the RPI is generally 1% higher than CPI.

I think its another example of the Government cooking the books.

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