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Vaati

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18 minutes ago, altus said:

The leave campaigns didn't say we'd stay in the single market/customs union but that we'd keep all the benefits of doing so without having any of the responsibilities. This allowed them to avoid any questions about the consequences of leaving the EU - such as what about the border with Ireland or access to EU markets for our fishing fleets. Those leading the leave campaigns were either delusional as to what they could achieve or simply lying to get people to vote for them.

So many lies told and still are. 

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, apelike said:

You mean not explaining why a hard Brexit has been catastrophic, hence the straw man bit.

Yes ,  I understand that

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Need to be careful with all this.

 

the media are panicking about a lack of bad Covid news and need something else to feed on.

 

it would be interesting to see some proper journalism on what is happening in Northern Ireland - whether it’s a small minority or a genuine political change.

 

I’m worried it will get hyped up in the wrong direction to fill the void.

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3 hours ago, apelike said:

Nice straw man there... ;)

You start your list and I will start mine

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3 hours ago, RJRB said:

You start your list and I will start mine

Ahh, but I asked first..... :) 

 

If it cannot be explained why or how a hard Brexit has been catastrophic (a failure or disaster) then I don't need to put forward any explanation about it being a success.

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4 hours ago, altus said:

Those leading the leave campaigns were either delusional as to what they could achieve or simply lying to get people to vote for them.

I think it was the former and for many just an ego trip to get Brexit passed.

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A question to the Brexit supporters what do you want out of Brexit in trade terms? 

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Th customs union and the single market was ok, it was the rest of it that was rejected.

 

 

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18 hours ago, apelike said:

Ahh, but I don't believe there can't be negatives though.

 

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“We have repeatedly urged HM Government, political leaders and Institutions to take seriously our warnings of the dangerous consequences of imposing this hard border on us and the need for earnest dialogue to resolve matters. We reiterate that message now,” the Loyalist Communities Council said.

"To date there has been a spectacular collective failure to understand properly the scale and nature of Unionist and Loyalist anger. Indeed there is a complete failure to understand Loyalists as people and equal citizens.

A new Protocol must be negotiated... this means no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom, and no hard border on this island.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/belfast-riots-loyalist-communities-council-20351387

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10 hours ago, apelike said:

I think it was the former and for many just an ego trip to get Brexit passed.

It was probably the case for some. I think the hardcore Brexit at any cost brigade were more likely be to in  the say anything to get people to vote for Brexit group. Look at the Farage's Nazi propaganda inspired queue of migrants photo and the official leave campaign's Turkey's about to join the EU and 80 million people will want to move to the UK leaflet.

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Does anyone think the next EU treaty will go for further integration, or less?

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14 hours ago, apelike said:

Ahh, but I asked first..... :) 

 

If it cannot be explained why or how a hard Brexit has been catastrophic (a failure or disaster) then I don't need to put forward any explanation about it being a success.

I think that you will find many instances questioning the wisdom of Brexit long before your post,and which have been answered in terms of Sovereignty and border control.

Our supposed freedom to trade with the rest of the world on our own terms was always a bit of a stretch and increased friction with the EU,coupled with a global tendency towards protectionism makes this a more distant fantasy.

Ease of trade between countries is a hard won and necessary feature of the global economy for small businesses,and major industries,and we as a nett importer will sustain damage to our economy.

Even the vaccines,which some would claim to be a positive of Brexit,are dependant on hundreds of component parts from around the world,as are their production sites.

Over to you for the benefits.

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