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50 minutes ago, West 77 said:

 The remainers continue to be a problem  post Brexit because they don't look for positives and new opportunities and just nit pick over any teething problems.

what positives?

 

what new opportunities?

 

what teething problems are you referring to?

 

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55 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Regarding remainers they were a problem during the withdrawal negotiations because the EU took advantage of the split and disunity  in the UK.  The remainers continue to be a problem 

For 50 years before the Brexit vote, we had to put up with Leaver-types shouting from the sidelines. It's our turn now, get used to it. We wont go away. 

55 minutes ago, West 77 said:

post Brexit because they don't look for positives and new opportunities and just nit pick over any teething problems. 

 

Teething problems are generally things which go away with time. All the issues we've discussed on here relating to customs and the good friday agreement are permanent, they wont go away when people get more used to them.  In fact, they will get worse when the UK implements full checks in a few months.  


Please feel free to enlighten us on the positives and new opportunities. I'm sure those who have lost and are losing their jobs as a result of your "teething problems" would appreciate knowing them?

 

 

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52 minutes ago, ads36 said:

i'm not using the post-office : i want / need a courier who'll collect*.

 

here's the point : i've never done this before, and it sounds like if i get it wrong i'll lose £200, *and* have some arcane fees to pay.

 

(*i've tried them in the past, and been refused upon their arrival as the parcel was 'too large' ... they charge a flat fee of 70p, and that doesn't cover parcels in excess of blah-blah-blah)

 

yes, lots of companies say they'll do this, and helpfully suggest that i just need to fill in form XYZ1a, but is it form 1a, 1b, 2a or 2b? - they don't say. Parcel force offered a link to follow, which promised to explain the forms and fees, but then simply asked me to pay the fees. what fees?

 

there's an ebay mega-thread, with no clear answers. some even suggesting i need to become VAT registered!

What is it you are trying to send?

Which bit have you never done before?

Did you struggle with the Parcelforce digital form here? https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/customs-forms/digital-customs-form

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1 hour ago, ads36 said:

i'm not using the post office

 

what category is the item?

 

what are the limits?

 

what are the fees?

 

is VAT payable ? (at this end, their end, both?)

Best of luck trying to get useful information out of a Brexiter; they have difficulty understanding anything greater than a three-word-slogan.

 

I did ask this question a month or two back ; if you can view the previous thread I started, you should find some information in there.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

I'm stating a fact rather than blaming the EU. There is no doubt the EU used the Good Friday Agreement to their advantage in the withdrawal negotiations especially while Theresa May was Prime Minister.  At least you agree the Good Friday Agreement wasn't intended to trap the UK in the EU but there can be no doubt the EU had no  peaceful intentions during the negotiations. I blame the remainers in the UK more than the EU for exploiting the Good Friday Agreement in their failed attempt to prevent Brexit.

 

You haven't explained anything to me . All you have done is recycle old  arguments against a technical solution to the Irish border with a closed mind. 

 

By stating Brexit voters are going  to have to accept responsible for anything makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution. It's not Brexit voters who have been the problem or caused problems.  It's remain voters who have never respected or accepted a democratic choice the majority of voters made on a ballot paper who have always been and still are the problem.

Hmmm. I don't quite know where to begin, but let's start with saying that your dogmatic views are very evident in this post. 

 

Again - the EU did not vote for the UK to leave the Union, the UK and voters like you did. So I don't really have anything to add to what I said originally, you, and by proxy your elected government has to provide solutions. If you think that is through a technical solution for a border than all luck to those who will have to implement it, despite experts around the world and indeed in the UK agreeing that there is nothing feasible about that solution. In fact, Boris Johnson doesn't even believe it is feasible anymore, otherwise he would have started implementing it.  
 

The Northern Irish issue is entirely the responsibility of the United Kingdom, historically, legally, ethically.

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1 hour ago, the_bloke said:

What is it you are trying to send?

Which bit have you never done before?

Did you struggle with the Parcelforce digital form here? https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/customs-forms/digital-customs-form

a bike frame.

 

occasionally, i buy old bike frames/parts, i build them up into a bike, use it for a year or 2, then sell it (i don't make any money, but more or less break-even)

 

this time i've sold a frame to a collector who lives in italy.

 

i've never had to fill in customs forms before. And it seems like i (or the buyer) need to pay VAT and customs duty, when and at what rate, i don't know. do i/we need to pay export AND import VAT + duty ? : it looks like it...

 

i can't tell if i need the CN22, or the CN23  - even if i can work it out, how do i show my working ? - do i need to show my working ? - where do i show my working ?

 

this is all a bit complicated for selling some old junk on ebay.

 

next time, to avoid all this hassle, i just won't buy from /sell to the EU. (lots of EU suppliers are refusing to sell to the UK - they're just single operators like me, who can blame them?)

 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, ads36 said:

a bike frame.

 

occasionally, i buy old bike frames/parts, i build them up into a bike, use it for a year or 2, then sell it (i don't make any money, but more or less break-even)

 

this time i've sold a frame to a collector who lives in italy.

 

i've never had to fill in customs forms before. And it seems like i (or the buyer) need to pay VAT and customs duty, when and at what rate, i don't know. do i/we need to pay export AND import VAT + duty ? : it looks like it...

 

i can't tell if i need the CN22, or the CN23  - even if i can work it out, how do i show my working ? - do i need to show my working ? - where do i show my working ?

 

this is all a bit complicated for selling some old junk on ebay.

 

next time, to avoid all this hassle, i just won't buy from /sell to the EU. (lots of EU suppliers are refusing to sell to the UK - they're just single operators like me, who can blame them?)

 

 

 

 

Your issue is nothing to do with Brexit because you never sent a bike frame  to Italy before the UK left the EU or the transition period.  Just for completeness both before and after Brexit it didn't and doesn't make sense to offer something on sale to anyone in Italy if you haven't done your homework regarding shipping costs and import/export tariffs involved.

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1 hour ago, tzijlstra said:

Hmmm. I don't quite know where to begin, but let's start with saying that your dogmatic views are very evident in this post. 

 

Again - the EU did not vote for the UK to leave the Union, the UK and voters like you did. So I don't really have anything to add to what I said originally, you, and by proxy your elected government has to provide solutions. If you think that is through a technical solution for a border than all luck to those who will have to implement it, despite experts around the world and indeed in the UK agreeing that there is nothing feasible about that solution. In fact, Boris Johnson doesn't even believe it is feasible anymore, otherwise he would have started implementing it.  
 

The Northern Irish issue is entirely the responsibility of the United Kingdom, historically, legally, ethically.

You can begin by not repeating yourself in saying the EU didn't vote for the UK to leave the EU. 

 

Personally I'm not bothered about the Northern Ireland protocol but I don't have a problem should the UK government act unilaterally and make changes they feel fit in the best interest of Northern Ireland or any part of the UK.  The Northern Irish unionists are justified in complaining about Northern Ireland being treated differently to other parts of the UK after Brexit.  It goes without saying a technical solution to the Irish border would mean there would be no need for the Northern Ireland protocol but it is pointless debating that with pro EU supporters that don't have open minds.

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13 minutes ago, West 77 said:

because you never sent a bike frame  to Italy before the UK left the EU or the transition period.

yes i have.

 

(well, Sweden, Germany, Spain)

 

it was easy, i just sent it.

 

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Just now, West 77 said:

Your issue is nothing to do with Brexit because you never sent a bike frame  to Italy before the UK left the EU or the transition period.  Just for completeness both before and after Brexit it didn't and doesn't make sense to offer something on sale to anyone in Italy if you haven't done your homework regarding shipping costs and import/export tariffs involved.

No.

 

I'm afraid it's everything to do with Brexit.

 

Before Brexit, you'd just contact a courier company, arrange pickup and payment, and that was it.

 

Your package would be collected by the courier company, and be delivered a couple of days later.

 

Now post-Brexit, unless you want your package to be delayed or returned, you must supply the following:

 

  • An EORI number
  • A commodity code
  • A commercial invoice
  • and ensure you're up-to-date on any taxes or import charges the recipient will be liable for.

 

Now, since you're so delighted with Brexit, why you don't you offer some assistance instead of talking nonsense?

 

There's a good chap.

 

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7 minutes ago, ads36 said:

yes i have.

 

(well, Sweden, Germany, Spain)

 

it was easy, i just sent it.

 

My mistake when you said 

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 i've never done this before,

I assumed you had never sent a bike frame to any EU country before. Good luck anyway.

 

 

7 minutes ago, The Joker said:

No.

 

I'm afraid it's everything to do with Brexit.

 

Before Brexit, you'd just contact a courier company, arrange pickup and payment, and that was it.

 

Your package would be collected by the courier company, and be delivered a couple of days later.

 

Now post-Brexit, unless you want your package to be delayed or returned, you must supply the following:

 

  • An EORI number
  • A commodity code
  • A commercial invoice
  • and ensure you're up-to-date on any taxes or import charges the recipient will be liable for.

 

Now, since you're so delighted with Brexit, why you don't you offer some assistance instead of talking nonsense?

 

There's a good chap.

 

My assistance is to advise only to offer sales for one off items such as bespoke bike frames for UK customers. If a foreigner in the EU wants to buy it then ask them to sort out the shipping arrangements.  About ten years ago I had three expensive commercial printers for sale  as spares that were on sale to just UK buyers.  A Spanish buyer was interested and I said it wouldn't be a problem sending to Spain providing he arranged and paid for the printers to be picked up from my address.  DHL picked them up without any hassle from me.   Nothing has changed for me since Brexit because I still avoid unnecessary hassle just like I did before the UK left the EU.

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1 minute ago, West 77 said:

About ten years ago ... DHL picked them up without any hassle from me.   Nothing has changed for me since Brexit because I still avoid unnecessary hassle just like I did before the UK left the EU.

is this a parody account ?

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