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According to Lord Green, (published in Migration Watch):

 

The new “points-based” immigration system comes into operation on January 1 but it will not reduce net migration. Indeed, it is far more likely to increase it substantially.

 

Certainly, most of the public will be unaware that the new arrangements for recruiting immigrant workers represent a total surrender to every demand that employers could think of. The ‘consultation’ groups set up by the Home Office were dominated by business interests and their advisory committee is largely comprised of economists. The outcome was a scheme providing a bonanza for business at the expense of their workers. Although it was published before Covid struck, no adjustments whatsoever have been made to take account of the massive deterioration in the UK labour market that has resulted.

The Government claim that their “simple, effective and flexible system will ensure that employers can recruit the skilled workers they need, while also encouraging employers to train and invest in the UK’s workforce.” It is impossible to see how the second half of this claim can be achieved.

The list of concessions is truly extraordinary. Here is a summary of the seven main changes:

  1. There is to be no cap whatever on the number of foreign workers that employers can bring in to the UK. The previous cap has been removed and the government have not retained a ready means of re-imposing it.
  2. The skill levels required have been reduced substantially from degree level to A level. Curiously, they are to apply to the job not the applicant thus providing considerable scope for abuse.
  3. The basic salary requirement has been greatly reduced from £30,000 to only £25,600.
  4. An even lower salary of £20,480 is to suffice for anyone under the age of 26 on arrival. This is not much more than the National Living Wage and is bound to add to the competition faced by young British workers seeking promotion.
  5. The requirement to first advertise jobs within the UK has simply been abandoned despite widespread public support for keeping this provision in place, including 78 per cent of those in “Red Wall” seats. (Deltapoll, May 2020).
  6. The salary requirement for settlement has been reduced by a massive £10,200 a year to £25,600. So foreign workers will find it easier to stay on, thus relieving employers from the need to train British replacements
  7. All students will be able to stay on for an extra two years after they finish studying so as to work in the UK, even if that is no more than stacking shelves.

The impact of these changes is that some seven million jobs in the UK will be opened to new or increased competition by migrant workers at a lower threshold for both wages and qualifications. It is not hard to imagine that employers who have lost considerable sums over the past year will be tempted to employ cheaper labour from overseas.

 

Migration Watch UK Blog | What’s the point of taking back control of immigration if we don’t reduce it?

 

People knew what they were voting for. 🦄

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22 hours ago, sadbrewer said:

Rules are rules as you say....it obviously hasn't sunk in in Germany though.

 

(...)

And yet Germany was an ECSC member right from the start, then an EEC member state, all long before the UK...but that does not seem to have held back the German economy, industry, international trade, immigration, public healthcare, social housing, etc ever. How odd.

 

Speaking of Germans, DB Schenker announced late this afternoon, that they are suspending all new freight orders to the UK. That is massive. They're about as big as DHL, at the European scale.

 

I knew actual Brexit (the end of the WA period) was going to be bad. But not that bad and that quick, even with a 'no deal' outcome.

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Leading Brexiteer Kate Hoey is now complaining that 'The Tories have betrayed Northern Ireland with their Brexit Deal'

 

The kernel of Hoey's complaint is:

 

"The 44% of people in Northern Ireland who voted for Brexit voted for the UK to leave as it stated on the ballot paper, not for some of the UK to leave and certainly not to find the province left to the diktats of Brussels,

"Even among Remainers, most did not want economic and societal barriers within their own country, the UK. Bluntly, the Northern Ireland protocol signed as part of the Withdrawal Agreement has shown that, when it suits the Government, Northern Ireland can be sacrificed."

 

Kate Hoey accuses Tories of 'betraying' Northern Ireland with Brexit deal - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

 

Hope she's not expecting any sympathy or understanding.

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4 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Leading Brexiteer Kate Hoey is now complaining that 'The Tories have betrayed Northern Ireland with their Brexit Deal'

 

The kernel of Hoey's complaint is:

 the County Antrim-born peer said the words "and Unionist no longer apply to the name 'the Conservative and Unionist Party"....

"The 44% of people in Northern Ireland who voted for Brexit voted for the UK to leave as it stated on the ballot paper, not for some of the UK to leave and certainly not to find the province left to the diktats of Brussels,

"Even among Remainers, most did not want economic and societal barriers within their own country, the UK. Bluntly, the Northern Ireland protocol signed as part of the Withdrawal Agreement has shown that, when it suits the Government, Northern Ireland can be sacrificed."

 

Kate Hoey accuses Tories of 'betraying' Northern Ireland with Brexit deal - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

 

Hope she's not expecting any sympathy or understanding.

I must admit I’m amazed at how quickly this complete and utter madness is unfolding. 

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23 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

I must admit I’m amazed at how quickly this complete and utter madness is unfolding. 

I am. The fishing industry feels betrayed, Kate Hoey says the integrity of union has been betrayed.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the ERG have been disloyal to people in the fishing industry or the constitution of the United Kingdom. with people like Mogg, Francois leading the charge.

Anyway, this is going to run and run and run. They'll get theirs at the ballot box, fingers crossed 🤞

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41 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Leading Brexiteer Kate Hoey is now complaining that 'The Tories have betrayed Northern Ireland with their Brexit Deal'

 

The kernel of Hoey's complaint is:

 

"The 44% of people in Northern Ireland who voted for Brexit voted for the UK to leave as it stated on the ballot paper, not for some of the UK to leave and certainly not to find the province left to the diktats of Brussels,

"Even among Remainers, most did not want economic and societal barriers within their own country, the UK. Bluntly, the Northern Ireland protocol signed as part of the Withdrawal Agreement has shown that, when it suits the Government, Northern Ireland can be sacrificed."

 

<...>

One is reminded of Leavers consistently rebutting any Remain argument based on the 56% of people in Northern Ireland who voted for Remain  over the last 4 years.

 

Can't wait to read the outrage, come the Scottish elections this May 😈

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Leading Brexiteer Kate Hoey is now complaining that 'The Tories have betrayed Northern Ireland with their Brexit Deal'

 

The kernel of Hoey's complaint is:

 

"The 44% of people in Northern Ireland who voted for Brexit voted for the UK to leave as it stated on the ballot paper . . .  when it suits the Government, Northern Ireland can be sacrificed."

 

Pray tell, what did Ms Hoey's ballot paper state?  That the UK would leave the EU but retain full benefits?  That English taxpayers would continue to pay Ol' Arlene £tens of billions a year?

 

The sectarian-bigots of the DUP have now realised, they were only tolerated by the Tories to win an election.

 

Now the once-useful idiots of the DUP have served their original purpose, BoJo has thrown them under a bus.

 

Look on the bright side; BoJo is saving English taxpayers £tens of billions.  BoJo can be quite fiscally prudent when he needs to 😄

 

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34 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

I must admit I’m amazed at how quickly this complete and utter madness is unfolding. 

The real risk is that EU27 hauliers continue to boycott the UK and ferry companies divert still more ships to alternative routes (Stena just reassigned MV Embla to Rosslare-Cherbourg today, was meant to start from Belfast) over the next couple months (or worse, longer) - whilst Brexit stockpiles run out, business cashflows get depleted, people's shopping spend goes through the roof...and then the grace period for light-touch customs checks and procedures ends on 1st April.

 

Truck queues will actually be a welcome sight, it means trade will have resumed. Then you can take a look at "normal" truck queues at the Polish-Ukraine border (Ukraine has a DCFTA with the EU, the UK doesn't ), likewise "normal" truck queues at the German-Swiss border (Swiss is EFTA and German customs are highly efficient, moreover with a dedicated customs-facilitating app since mid-2018) for an idea of what to expect once the UK has progressed a little (-closer to the EU) from the current super-thin FTA.

 

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22 hours ago, Mister M said:

According to Lord Green, (published in Migration Watch):

 

The new “points-based” immigration system comes into operation on January 1 but it will not reduce net migration. Indeed, it is far more likely to increase it substantially.

 

Certainly, most of the public will be unaware that the new arrangements for recruiting immigrant workers represent a total surrender to every demand that employers could think of. The ‘consultation’ groups set up by the Home Office were dominated by business interests and their advisory committee is largely comprised of economists. The outcome was a scheme providing a bonanza for business at the expense of their workers.

oh dear.

 

And some people on here openly admit they voted for Brexit in order to reduce immigration.  I wonder how betrayed they feel now?

 

To be honest, it's exactly what I expected from an Indian Home Secretary; did you honestly expect a perfidious, mendacious piece of work like her not to invite her ONE BILLION fellow countrymen and women over here?

 

Hmm?

 

Wow, I've just checked and it seems that India's population is now 1.3 Billion!  Last time I checked (over a decade ago, I admit) it was "only" one billion.

 

Best of luck finding a house, a job, or even a schoolplace, for your grandkids.

 

Still, it's what we all voted for.  Apparently.

 

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1 minute ago, The Joker said:

oh dear.

 

And some people on here openly admit they voted for Brexit in order to reduce immigration.  I wonder how betrayed they feel now?

 

To be honest, it's exactly what I expected from an Indian Home Secretary; did you honestly expect a perfidious, mendacious piece of work like her not to invite her ONE BILLION fellow countrymen and women over here?

 

Hmm?

 

Wow, I've just checked and it seems that India's population is now 1.3 Billion!  Last time I checked (over a decade ago, I admit) it was "only" one billion.

 

Best of luck finding a house, a job, or even a schoolplace, for your grandkids.

 

Still, it's what we all voted for.  Apparently.

 

She was born in London.

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3 minutes ago, The Joker said:

oh dear.

 

And some people on here openly admit they voted for Brexit in order to reduce immigration.  I wonder how betrayed they feel now?

 

To be honest, it's exactly what I expected from an Indian Home Secretary; did you honestly expect a perfidious, mendacious piece of work like her not to invite her ONE BILLION fellow countrymen and women over here?

 

Hmm?

 

Wow, I've just checked and it seems that India's population is now 1.3 Billion!  Last time I checked (over a decade ago, I admit) it was "only" one billion.

 

Best of luck finding a house, a job, or even a schoolplace, for your grandkids.

 

Still, it's what we all voted for.  Apparently.

 

Priti is British...

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