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In addition to remoaner we are also not going to allow the use of libdums or liebore - if you cannot behave like adults and post without recourse to these childish insults then please refrain from posting. If you have a problem with this then you all know where the helpdesk is. 

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15 minutes ago, KinderKid said:

Fantastic! As is your prerogative - once we've debated the issues we can all vote on it to decide the outcome. 

Thank you, we will lie through our back teeth just like the leave campaign did in 2015/16. Or will we need to actually lie about the benefits of being in the EU Mmmm?  

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10 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

We’re all going to need that after our “democratic “ decision.

I'm afraid I shall not be drawn on this argument - I have faith in the Police and Electoral Commission to investigate robustly and have no wish to believe we live in an Enid Blyton novel of spies at the heart of government. 

 

I also believe the working person has capacity to understand and interpret arguments as well as anyone else and is not simply directed by anyone anywhere on the political spectrum. 

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21 minutes ago, KinderKid said:

I'm afraid I shall not be drawn on this argument - I have faith in the Police and Electoral Commission to investigate robustly and have no wish to believe we live in an Enid Blyton novel of spies at the heart of government. 

 

I also believe the working person has capacity to understand and interpret arguments as well as anyone else and is not simply directed by anyone anywhere on the political spectrum. 

I think you’ve replied to the wrong post.

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3 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I think you’ve replied to the wrong post.

It was actually in response to the use of "democratic" as if the whole process has collapsed.  

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5 minutes ago, KinderKid said:

It was actually in response to the use of "democratic" as if the whole process has collapsed.  

You need to read a bit more carefully then.

I said “”democratic “”.

 

As though the thing was anything but.

 

If we can agree on anything, it has to be that the EU referendum wasn’t in any way democratic 

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Just now, Pettytom said:

You need to read a bit more carefully then.

I said “”democratic “”.

 

As though the thing was anything but.

 

If we can agree on anything, it has to be that the EU referendum wasn’t in any way democratic 

Apologies, I think we're at cross purposes here. 

 

With the EC and Police not calling the result into question, I'm unsure there are grounds to call this undemocratic.

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6 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Presumably the lorry park in Kent was the work of the chumocracy for a grossly inflated price?

 

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet/news/sinkhole-opens-at-manston-lorry-park-240070/

There is a lot more chumocracy to come. 
 

Once the hedge funders and assorted other disaster capitalists have had their chunk, the Farage Garage mechanics will be a mere speck.

 

Poetic that it’s sinking though 

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3 hours ago, Litotes said:

And Boris' father looks to become a French Citizen...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55499773

 

Looks like all the liars and cheats who promoted Brexit are now on the other side of the f(r)ench reaping to rewards of the lies that they sold to the brexitmugs.

 

"They're in the money..."

Boris father is a Remainer.

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Just now, KinderKid said:

Apologies, I think we're at cross purposes here. 

 

With the EC and Police not calling the result into question, I'm unsure there are grounds to call this undemocratic.

There are.

 

For a start, referenda aren’t a very good democratic tool. 
 

Cheaty, lying, corrupt referenda are even worse.

 

And then we have Aaron Banks and his unsavoury chums.

 

But I’m being ungallant. Enjoy your victory parade. But be sure to stick around to own the problems that it causes to folk who really don’t need any more problems.

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12 minutes ago, KinderKid said:

It was actually in response to the use of "democratic" as if the whole process has collapsed.  

You don't fully understand "Democracy" I would strongly recommend you do a little self training in some capacity. Happy new year.

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3 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

There are.

 

For a start, referenda aren’t a very good democratic tool. 
 

Cheaty, lying, corrupt referenda are even worse.

 

And then we have Aaron Banks and his unsavoury chums.

 

But I’m being ungallant. Enjoy your victory parade. But be sure to stick around to own the problems that it causes to folk who really don’t need any more problems.

I'm unsure I can agree with you on that one. 

 

Referenda are an important tool in building consensus when an elected body decides a single issue is too big to tackle on its own. The problem with consensus, and democracy in general, is that it relies upon the loser accepting the views of the majority, even if they vehemently disagree with it. 

 

Banks is a truly unsavoury character, but this comes back to the point of "can unsavoury people at times say some things which are insightful?" - in my view, yes they can. Similarly, whilst I strongly opposed Corbyn, I didn't deem all of his ideas to hold zero value. 

 

I shall be sure to stick around and take ownership of what comes next - it remains true that my major reasons for voting leave have been acted upon as promised. As yet there are no "facts" as to what the final impact will be on various social groups, at present this stands only to ideology. 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Dardandec said:

You don't fully understand "Democracy" I would strongly recommend you do a little self training in some capacity. Happy new year.

Unfortunately I fear this means "You don't understand my view of democracy"

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