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53 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I so wish people had listened to jeremy Corbyn, voted Labour, and gained the opportunity to vote again:

a) on the actual deal negotiated,

b) leave without a deal,

c) or remain in the EU.

Instead they fell for Boris' 'Get Brexit Done' rhetoric and his so called 'oven ready deal' which of course turned out to be nothing of the sort.

 

The original referendum was a simple in/out affair, with very little emphasis on 'a deal' being necessary at all, or even desirable, in which case we should have left the EU straight away. The problem has always been the closeness of the result, almost 50/50, which, IMO isn't decisive enough for such an important issue, and was also very confused over party affilliations. I think a vote now, would be far more decisive.

 

As for the deal Boris is trying to negotiate, well I understand we already had a good deal, so trying to negotiate a new one it would have to be pretty spectacular, or give us many of the freedoms to trade outside the EU to be worth 5 years of wrangling.

More likely is we will leave with no deal, having totally wasted the time which should have been spent planning the  necessary measures to ensure a smooth transition to WTO standards. 

 

Once again Boris has created chaos.

 

 

This post is so full of confusion, remnants of Vote Leave lies and lack of knowledge, I genuinely don't know where to start with it.

 

Perhaps by highlighting in bold, the (actual) root cause of the whole bin fire of the past 4+ years.

 

Experts tried to explain before the referendum, and ever since, why the bin fire was a certainty in case of Brexit (in whichever form - this lack of definition pre-referendum being part of the root cause), because there never was, and never could be, anything simple about the UK leaving the EU. Whether overnight, or weeks or months or years later.

 

But you had enough of experts then, and you still have enough of experts now.

 

So. This is the result of dismissing experts, and continuing instead to favour the charlatans telling you to ignore these experts.

 

Corbyn and his pandering/husbanding of Lexiters for years, is just as much of a cause of the bin fire. Starmer, continuing his strategy of letting the Tories own all of Brexit, is no better. So when you start looking up recipes for grass cuttings, remember that Labour consistently voted for Brexit in the House of Commons, and did nothing to halt it before the end. Of course, that doesn't absolve the Tories from causing it in the first place, nor from eventually making it the worst that it could be.

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If you want a laugh go and read the views on Sheffield Online about no deal!

 

Genuine comments such as people can just live off root vegetables if imports are too expensive or "its all maybe, could, possible - project fear again". etc Oh and lets not forget some are saying german car makers will force the EU to give us what they want!

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The current furore about Merkel and Macron rejecting Johnson's call requests is quite funny, too.

 

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7 hours ago, retep said:

We'll see how much these contributions are missed when some of the eu countries have to contribute more.

It's going to hurt them, more than it's going to hurt us?

I think we've all grown rather wise to Brexiteer homilies that have been uttered over the last 5 years.

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58 minutes ago, L00b said:

The current furore about Merkel and Macron rejecting Johnson's call requests is quite funny, too.

 

Merkel and Macron didn’t reject Johnson’s call the EU did because they don’t want any possible attempt to divide them.

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29 minutes ago, Mister M said:

It's going to hurt them, more than it's going to hurt us?

I think we've all grown rather wise to Brexiteer homilies that have been uttered over the last 5 years.

Wait while RoI  have to pick up the bill, I can see dominoes and I don't mean pizza's.

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37 minutes ago, Mister M said:

It's going to hurt them, more than it's going to hurt us?

I think we've all grown rather wise to Brexiteer homilies that have been uttered over the last 5 years.

Considering  the UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019 then a no free trade deal will hurt the EU.  Germany and Ireland will be hurt the most.  The UK by comparison had a trade surplus of £49 billion with non-EU countries in 2019. Any country that has a huge overall trade deficit shouldn't be afraid to walk away from trade deals.  It makes sense to trade on WTO terms from 1st January if the deal on offer from the EU is not right for the UK and doesn't respect our sovereignty.  A future trade deal can always be agreed at a later date with the EU. 

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50 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Considering  the UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019 then a no free trade deal will hurt the EU.

We have roughly doubled our exports to the EU over the past 20 years and they have roughly doubled their exports to the UK.

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports-from-european-union

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports-to-european-union?fbclid=IwAR3P3ERGOrCOTx2fE9bR005u9BJB6ro2kw1Ew5KhCHTF50ib4dNFr8K8Kh8

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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

Considering  the UK had an overall trade deficit of -£79 billion with the EU in 2019 then a no free trade deal will hurt the EU.  Germany and Ireland will be hurt the most.  The UK by comparison had a trade surplus of £49 billion with non-EU countries in 2019. Any country that has a huge overall trade deficit shouldn't be afraid to walk away from trade deals.  It makes sense to trade on WTO terms from 1st January if the deal on offer from the EU is not right for the UK and doesn't respect our sovereignty.  A future trade deal can always be agreed at a later date with the EU. 

Why do you insist on arguing from the standpoint of which party will suffer the most.

If we have a trade deficit with any country or trading bloc it is because we see the need to import goods or services as a necessity or for our quality of life.

If we continue to want the goods and services which will now be subject to tariffs then our trade deficit will increase with the EU bloc unless we miraculously find a way to increase exports.

I am sure that Germany will have a substantial trade surplus with nonEU countries as well (much more than the U.K.)because they have been successful in developing their engineering sector as the UK declined.

Our financial sector has been a world leader,but Brexit has opened the door for others  to step in.

Not only has Johnson wasted at least a couple of years in preparing for an orderly exit,but latterly he seems to have created a particularly toxic relationship with the major countries of the EU,which does our nation no favours.

His gung ho stuttering rallying calls are just bluster that didn’t work in negotiations and don’t wash with the majority of those in industries that have to try to develop their business.

 

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1 hour ago, RJRB said:

Why do you insist on arguing from the standpoint of which party will suffer the most.

If we have a trade deficit with any country or trading bloc it is because we see the need to import goods or services as a necessity or for our quality of life.

That is it exactly. If we import more goods, do we need to up our game, or is it just that we have expertese in other areas.

Will leaving the EU help, since we have free trade already, I guess not. That is what the Brexiteers want, 100% free trade.

Will leaving the EU help in other areas, that is what they think. Lets get on with it.

Might be a good idea to stock up on essential items though, things are not going well.

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2 hours ago, El Cid said:

That is it exactly. If we import more goods, do we need to up our game, or is it just that we have expertese in other areas.

Will leaving the EU help, since we have free trade already, I guess not. That is what the Brexiteers want, 100% free trade.

Will leaving the EU help in other areas, that is what they think. Lets get on with it.

Might be a good idea to stock up on essential items though, things are not going well.

Given that the £ is dropping all the time against the euro, stocking up will cost more all the time.

 

100% free trade between  nations doen't exist - it's regulated by trade agreements or WTO rules - rules / agreements which impinge on "sovereignty".

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