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9 hours ago, Litotes said:

There is as much fact, in fact more, as there is journalistic evidence (if there is such a thing) that she has influenced recruitment to policy advisor positions, to civil service positions and has been privvy to governmental decision making despite not being an elected or publicly financed person. Therefore any influence she has had is illegitimate and subject to public scrutiny - and yet the PM will not support that!

 Seems fishy to me...

 

I come back to you, where is the factual evidence, that this whole thread is based on, on the benefit of brexit?

There is none, at least none has been provided  - please provide us some

 

Please provide this before you start picking holes in the undemocratic influence of the morally destitute fiance of the publicly proven racist, sexist, misogynistic, lying bully-supporting that is the PM .

 

FACTS please...

And not hearsay  - where is the evidence???????

 

 

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The hypocrites have the floor!

My bold. 

 

We see you typing statements again but once again you have failed to provide hard evidence of any kind, other than your say so. 

 

As yet, all we have received is a link to an article that 'alledges' a connection but which we have already established falls way, way short of stating, as FACT, that Ms Symonds has any influence in number 10 & is responsible for people being dismissed from their jobs or has caused them to resign. 

 

You started this argument that these were facts, so let's have some conclusion to it by you providing actual, FACTUAL evidence to back up your claims?

 

Once again, because you don't have any evidence, you seek to introduce other information, as stated in your comments above, trying to swing the argument back to Brexit or criticism of the PM, in attempt to try & move away from the argument that Ms Symonds holds any influence.

 

Once again, nice try at a piece of deflection & side-stepping, in an attempt not to provide any evidence but it doesn't work like that.  You make a statement of FACT, be prepared to back it up with the FACTS. 

 

Again, remember what you stated?  Ms Symonds HAS INFLUENCED NATIONAL POLICY.  

 

It is amusing & somewhat childlike, resulting to petty name calling by accusing me of hypocrisy, when despite repeated requests to back up your allegations, you have failed to provide the evidence. 

 

Once again, where is the FACTUAL EVIDENCE, that Carrie Symonds has INFLUENCED NATIONAL POLICY?   

 

When that evidence is produced, we can then start to pick at those bones & move the debate on.  I won't hold my breath though because I believe no such concrete evidence exists?  At least not any evidence that a journalist or yourself are prepared to state is 100%  fact & not hearsay, alledged allegations without any basis of truth? 

 

Conjecture is not fact! 

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Still no facts from your side...

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/carrie-symonds-and-the-rise-of-petticoat-government-

 

"when her own allies are bragging about how she worked with Johnson’s new spin doctor, Allegra Stratton, and head of policy, Munira Mirza, to tackle a “boys’ club” in No 10, it’s clear that at the very least she wants to be seen as influential. "

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/29/carrie-symonds-profile-boris-johnson-fiancee-dominic-cummings

 

"Aide’s resignation raises questions about influence of prime minister’s fiancée Carrie Symonds"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/carrie-symonds-lee-cain-downing-street-boris-johnson-b1722031.html

 

"it is perhaps unsurprising that there was resistance to Cain’s candidate for the post: Ellie Price of the BBC.  It went to one of the well-established front-runners, who is on very good terms with Symonds: Allegra Stratton.

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/11/will-cummings-quit-its-carrie-symonds-v-vote-leave-as-tensions-over-the-governments-future-explode.html

 

It was then that she allegedly tried to stop the Prime Minister hosting a Covid crisis meeting to deal instead with a newspaper report claiming she wanted to get rid of their beloved Jack Russell cross Dilyn.

(Yes, I do note the term allegedly.)

https://www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2020/11/profile-carrie-symonds-experienced-tory-adviser-turned-prime-ministerial-consort-loyal-to-her-friends-detested-by-her-enemies.html

A second source yesterday told ConHome that Symonds would ring Johnson over and over again until he did what she wanted.

 

 

 

So basically you have press from all sides of the political landscape repeating the same message - she is influencing the decisions that the PM is making for the nation.

 

 

Now back to the facts about Brexit - can we have some FACTS about the benefits of Brexit?

 

Plus, please remember - conjecture is not fact.

 

Please?

 

 

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15 hours ago, Litotes said:

I come back to you, where is the factual evidence, that this whole thread is based on, on the benefit of brexit?

Me bold.

 

The whole thread is not based on what you seem to believe it is and that is the benefit of brexit. It is actually entitled "The Consequences Of Brexit" - part 9. 

 

Now back to the </silence>

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2 hours ago, apelike said:

Me bold.

 

The whole thread is not based on what you seem to believe it is and that is the benefit of brexit. It is actually entitled "The Consequences Of Brexit" - part 9. 

 

Now back to the </silence>

And as you will have gathered from the foregoing,the majority of contributors see the consequences as being damaging to the economy.

A thread entitled “The benefits of Brexit” would have been interesting,but very short.

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9 hours ago, Litotes said:

Still no facts from your side...

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/carrie-symonds-and-the-rise-of-petticoat-government-

 

"when her own allies are bragging about how she worked with Johnson’s new spin doctor, Allegra Stratton, and head of policy, Munira Mirza, to tackle a “boys’ club” in No 10, it’s clear that at the very least she wants to be seen as influential. "

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/29/carrie-symonds-profile-boris-johnson-fiancee-dominic-cummings

 

"Aide’s resignation raises questions about influence of prime minister’s fiancée Carrie Symonds"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/carrie-symonds-lee-cain-downing-street-boris-johnson-b1722031.html

 

"it is perhaps unsurprising that there was resistance to Cain’s candidate for the post: Ellie Price of the BBC.  It went to one of the well-established front-runners, who is on very good terms with Symonds: Allegra Stratton.

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/11/will-cummings-quit-its-carrie-symonds-v-vote-leave-as-tensions-over-the-governments-future-explode.html

 

It was then that she allegedly tried to stop the Prime Minister hosting a Covid crisis meeting to deal instead with a newspaper report claiming she wanted to get rid of their beloved Jack Russell cross Dilyn.

(Yes, I do note the term allegedly.)

https://www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2020/11/profile-carrie-symonds-experienced-tory-adviser-turned-prime-ministerial-consort-loyal-to-her-friends-detested-by-her-enemies.html

A second source yesterday told ConHome that Symonds would ring Johnson over and over again until he did what she wanted.

 

 

 

So basically you have press from all sides of the political landscape repeating the same message - she is influencing the decisions that the PM is making for the nation.

 

 

Now back to the facts about Brexit - can we have some FACTS about the benefits of Brexit?

 

Plus, please remember - conjecture is not fact.

 

Please?

 

 

At the risk of going over a lot of old ground, (& it's clear that other posters are starting to get fed up with this side argument, not related to the thread), I've read the links with the exception of The Spectator, which has a pay wall & I still see much of 'Close sources say', 'Its speculated that' & 'Some are of the opinion' phrases, without any concrete evidence that Ms Symonds has any influence on national Policy.  Yes, she may not have got on with the likes of Cummings but this does not prove she has any say or influence on national Policy. 

 

Think about it?  If any of this speculative nonsense even had a whiff of truth about it, you wouldn't Labour be on it in a shot, especially given then troubles they have lately, it would have been a gift to them?  As stated previously, unsubstantiated nonsense. 

 

Back to the actual thread. If you want my views on the benefits of Brexit, feel free to look back over the numerous postings I've made, not only in this thread, 'Part 9' but also the subsequent ones. 

 

But as for some benefits, for starters we're no longer part of a supposed 'community' that clearly has more divisions than the English & Scottish football league put together.  An organisation that perpetuates supposed rules for all its members such as budgetary control with punative financial penalties, except of course if those breaking the rules happen to be France or Germany. 

 

A spend thrift organisation that spends a fortune on promotion of environmental programmes but thinks nothing of the environmental impact of packing up & moving the whole circus from Brussels to Strasbourg just for a week then back again, once a month.  

 

As I've said above.  All along these lines & much more are covered in previous postings.   

 

Looking forward to 01/01/2021 & taking the naysayers along for the ride.  The small minority, can either help make this work for their country or sit on the sidelines & moan. 

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I'm also looking forward to 01/01/21 and will be happy with either a  trade deal with the EU or WTO terms. The UK has already agreed to continue trading with over 50 countries on the same terms we do now until new deals are agreed. Good times lay ahead.

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16 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Good times lay ahead.

unless you work in manufacturing, or agriculture, or finance.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ads36 said:

unless you work in manufacturing, or agriculture, or finance.

and unless you are poor, according to the British government ('s latest analysis).

 

It's looking pretty grim in today's news, after the Guardian's leaks over the weekend alleging a deal proved unreliable.

 

After Barnier's message to EU ambassadors this morning, if the UK government re-tables the objectionable clauses in the draft Internal Market Bill tonight, then it would be curtains on chances of a deal this side of 1st January.

 

Which would actually be best for all concerned, I think, as it would allow some weeks (or months, even) of quiet, to take some heat back out of the whole situation.

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The oven ready deal appears to be a frozen turkey that won’t be defrosted in time for Christmas.

Brinkmanship of the highest order.

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1 minute ago, RJRB said:

The oven ready deal appears to be a frozen turkey that won’t be defrosted in time for Christmas.

Brinkmanship of the highest order.

The oven ready deal enabled the UK to leave the EU on 31st January via the withdrawal agreement.  They are now negotiating future trade arrangements.

 

11 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

All this over fish.

Fish seem to be important to Macron. 

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brexit will be sorted and both sides will claim a victory by wed sorted

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