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1 hour ago, West 77 said:

There is clearly much jealousy that the UK is the first country to have bested the EU and not voted again to reverse a democratic choice not to the liking of the EU hierarchy.  The EU have done well mainly due to the help of Remainers by making it difficult to leave their organisation. It will be a while before any other EU nation have a referendum on whether to leave the EU. Countries like Poland and Hungary are certainly not happen the way the EU is run. To suggest Germany a massive exporter to the UK are not interested in a deal is laughable. Biden being the next US President will make very little difference for the UK. There is a big difference in saying things before you are in power to doing things when you are in power. The UK will always be the best country in the World just like Gavin Williamson believes.

A very strange choice of words.

”Jealousy,bested” 

Personally I couldn’t care less if an effective vaccine is rolled out by any country as long as the world population benefits.

Of course anyone with a couple of brain cells sees the need for a mutually beneficial trade deal,but to expect every element to be suited to one side is never going to happen.

It’s not the Pro Europeans who say that a No Deal is in anyway acceptable,but as I have said before is that Johnson is more concerned with how his leadership and position is criticised by the Eurosceptics in his own party.

If a No Deal happens then he has put his own interests over that of the country

 

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16 hours ago, Mister M said:

And given that it's ben revealed today that shamefully Britain has the highest death toll in Europe from COVID-19

Top or fourth, depending on how you look at the data:

 

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As of December 3, 2020, Belgium had the highest rate of coronavirus deaths among its population in the European Economic Area at 147.62 deaths per 100,000 population. Spain has recorded 97.54 deaths from coronavirus per 100,000.

 

The United Kingdom has the highest number of confirmed coronavirus deaths in Europe, which is also an incidence of 89.57 deaths per 100,000 people in the country.

 

Incidence of coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in the European Economic Area and the United Kingdom as of December 3, 2020, by country

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1111779/coronavirus-death-rate-europe-by-country/

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4 hours ago, nightrider said:

To be honest it's a lesson many English need to learn the hard way. There's no convincing committed brexiteers, but perhaps the hard reality of life next year will:

 

(...)

Sadly, I'm pretty certain that it won't, and that these challenges will simply polarise the British public still further.

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4 hours ago, RJRB said:

A very strange choice of words.

”Jealousy,bested” 

Personally I couldn’t care less if an effective vaccine is rolled out by any country as long as the world population benefits.

Of course anyone with a couple of brain cells sees the need for a mutually beneficial trade deal,but to expect every element to be suited to one side is never going to happen.

It’s not the Pro Europeans who say that a No Deal is in anyway acceptable,but as I have said before is that Johnson is more concerned with how his leadership and position is criticised by the Eurosceptics in his own party.

If a No Deal happens then he has put his own interests over that of the country

 

Boris Johnson assured the ERG before they agreed to support the amended Withdrawal Agreement that the transitional period would not be extended beyond 31st December 2020.  Boris Johnson doesn't need the support of the ERG regarding any of the possible outcomes of the current trade negotiations with the EU.  A no trade deal is one of the two possible outcomes and it's prejudicial on your part to say if a no deal happens that Boris Johnson has put his own interests before country.  If you want to play the blame game then the EU will be as equal or more to blame than the UK Government if a trade deal is not agreed before 31st December. Anyone with a couple of brain cells should know that nobody negotiating anything is to blame from walking away from a bad deal. Boris Johnson has a duty to walk away from a bad trade deal with the EU because that will be in the best interests of the country as well as honouring the 2016 EU referendum result.

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3 hours ago, West 77 said:

Boris Johnson assured the ERG before they agreed to support the amended Withdrawal Agreement that the transitional period would not be extended beyond 31st December 2020.  Boris Johnson doesn't need the support of the ERG regarding any of the possible outcomes of the current trade negotiations with the EU.  A no trade deal is one of the two possible outcomes and it's prejudicial on your part to say if a no deal happens that Boris Johnson has put his own interests before country.  If you want to play the blame game then the EU will be as equal or more to blame than the UK Government if a trade deal is not agreed before 31st December. Anyone with a couple of brain cells should know that nobody negotiating anything is to blame from walking away from a bad deal. Boris Johnson has a duty to walk away from a bad trade deal with the EU because that will be in the best interests of the country as well as honouring the 2016 EU referendum result.

Brexit is entirely the fault of the Tory party. If we fail to get a deal, that will be their fault too.


None of this is the fault of the EU, so stop pretending that it is and own your own mess.

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Just watched David Davis on BBC Breakfast news discussing the pause in the Brexit negotiations. 

 

He explained, (& he probably knows more than any of us on here & is closer to those involved), that Brussels, (the Commissioners), aren't happy with the late intervention of Macron, as a deal was virtually considered done, especially around the fishing issue.  Macron is merely playing to the gallery, trying to look tough for domestic politics, as he looks towards the French presidential election in 2022.

 

Additionally, Berlin aren't happy with Macron, as Merkel is being pressured by business leaders in Germany, to get a deal done before 31/12/20, as they want some continuity & they recognise that the UK is a valuable market for their goods. 

 

A no deal is bad for all in the short-term, including the French fishing industry who, if there is no deal, won't have ANY ACCESS at all to our fishing waters, come January 1st.

 

So the stumbling block in all this, appears to be one individual, Macron. 

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I saw some of the interview.  Davis said it’s in everybody’s internet to have a deal and the business men in France and Germany are putting pressure on their Governments to agree on one.  

The part I didn’t understand is if there is a deal at the end of this month there will be no time for it to be ratified until next year.   Does that meant it can still fall through?

 

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Every leader wants to go back to their party and the electorate saying that they have been victorious in one way or another.

That’s politics and is always an obstacle to a compromise.

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15 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Brexit is entirely the fault of the Tory party. If we fail to get a deal, that will be their fault too.


None of this is the fault of the EU, so stop pretending that it is and own your own mess.

You're wrong for several reasons. Brexit is a blessing.  Brexit was never a Tory party policy meaning it's not correct to give them praise for the blessing.  It's democracy that has given us Brexit and the blessing.  The Tory party and Boris Johnson deserve praise for respecting and upholding democracy.

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

...Boris Johnson deserve praise for respecting and upholding democracy.

You want us to praise a man who tried to derail democracy in the UK, who was quite willing to throw the GFA on the fire and who is a liar, cheat, misogynist,and racist bully to boot?

Someone who has allowed his (unelected) girlfriend to dictate national policy and the hiring and firing of members of the civil service?

 

I don't know what world anyone who would think that someone who acted like that deserved even the faintest bit of praise lives in, but it ain't my world.

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32 minutes ago, Litotes said:

You want us to praise a man who tried to derail democracy in the UK, who was quite willing to throw the GFA on the fire and who is a liar, cheat, misogynist,and racist bully to boot?

Someone who has allowed his (unelected) girlfriend to dictate national policy and the hiring and firing of members of the civil service?

 

I don't know what world anyone who would think that someone who acted like that deserved even the faintest bit of praise lives in, but it ain't my world.

My bold. 

 

Specifically which national Policy or Policies would that be? 

 

The real ones or just the ones based on hearsay? 

 

Go on, please share? 

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38 minutes ago, Litotes said:

You want us to praise a man who tried to derail democracy in the UK, who was quite willing to throw the GFA on the fire and who is a liar, cheat, misogynist,and racist bully to boot?

Someone who has allowed his (unelected) girlfriend to dictate national policy and the hiring and firing of members of the civil service?

 

I don't know what world anyone who would think that someone who acted like that deserved even the faintest bit of praise lives in, but it ain't my world.

I'm praising Boris Johnson because I support Brexit , voted to leave the EU and he implemented my democratic choice at the end of January.  When I voted to leave the EU I didn't do so to help Boris Johnson to become Prime Minister.  However, I honestly  believe if Boris Johnson hadn't  become Tory leader and won the general election that the EU referendum result would never have been implemented.

 

 I'm not a washer woman so I've no interest in his girlfriend or his personal life. However, I do believe the lady who he is going to marry held the position of Conservative Party's head of communications before Boris became Tory party leader.  I think someone who has held such a position will be in a better place to judge if an individual is suitable for certain senior roles than both you and I.  

 

Just for completeness, in my World I give praise to Prime Ministers who implement policies  what they said they would do before they had the power or parliament support to do so such as implementing the EU referendum result.

 

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