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7 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The only people who look fondly upon the "quintessionally British" House of Lords are the ruling establishment class, the BBC and political journalists. Unless you are confusing the splendour of the buildings, the Palace of Westminster, with the corruption and greed that is inherent within.

 

I have never known a working class person to have a good thing to say about it. You, sadly, are deeply misinformed if you believe that the Lords is held in high regard by the majority of British people. It is held in contempt, at best. 

I see you as a quintessential middle of the road voter as you seem to support both the extreme left and extreme right  from week to week.

Always interesting though.😁

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This is an extract of a speech made by ex Prime Minister, John Major, on Brexit yesterday. http://www.johnmajorarchive.org.uk/2015-2/sir-john-majors-speech-middle-temples-treasurers-lecture-the-state-were-in/

 

'Brexit was sold to our electors on false premises.

 

Promises made will not – indeed, cannot – be kept. To leave the EU – to separate ourselves from our neighbours – was sold as “regaining sovereignty”, but it is, and will prove to be, a long and painful ball and chain on our national wellbeing.

 

After the Referendum, Brexiteers did not even bother to argue the merits of their case – why should they? – it was “the will of the people”. And once “the will of the people” was asserted as a repeated mantra – and the Brexit leaders claimed to speak for all “the people” – any opposition to Brexit became illegitimate, and any contrary view was howled down.

 

Free speech for those who supported remaining in the EU came at a price. They were pilloried as “Remoaners”: sticking to long-held principles and policies, and warning of clear dangers ahead was depicted as “sour grapes by sore losers”.

 

Even Judges were denounced as “Enemies of the People” for ruling on a Point of Law. Opponents of Brexit were cowed, and free speech was curtailed. It was shameful. No democracy should find itself in such a position.

 

Overseas, the outcome of the Referendum delighted our enemies and dismayed our friends. As our nation voted against its history and its self-interest, a bemused world looked on, wondering why we had chosen to become poorer and less influential.

 

Brexit was sold to the nation as a win-win situation. It is not. We were promised we would stay in the Single Market. We have not. We were told trade with the EU would be frictionless. It will not be.

 

We were promised we would save billions in payments to the European Union: a bus was driven around the country telling us so. Not so: Brexit is costing billions – not saving them.

 

We were told that our “liberated country” could cut back on bureaucracy and regulations. We now know they will increase – and dramatically.

 

We were promised we would strike lucrative trade deals with America, India, China and others in quick time. Japan apart – we have not.

 

More recently – and for the first time in our long history – Ministers have proposed legislation giving them powers to break the law. This is a slippery slope down which no democratic Government should ever travel.

 

And, it was claimed, Brexit wouldn’t increase support for Scottish independence or a united Ireland. It has.

 

It defies logic that intelligent men and women making such extravagant promises did not know they were undeliverable – and yet they continued to make them.

 

It was politics. It was campaigning. It was for a cause.

 

It was also unforgiveable.

 

If that is how we are going to conduct our public affairs, then not only will our politics truly fall into a bad place, but our word as a nation will no longer be trusted.'

 

Well said, John Major.

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Can’t argue with that and it is a fair summary of the story so far.

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Brexiteer doesn't know what she's voting for:

 

Claire Fox - Baroness Fox of Buckley  - made a speech in the House of Lords supporting the Government's Internal Market Bill, during which she scoffed at "Remainer's memory loss".

 

But Fox herself seemed to struggle with remembering some crucial details The peer forgot how to use the chamber's new voting app and actually voted against the bill.

 

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-house-of-lords-claire-fox-vote-9724773

 

:hihi:

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11 hours ago, BigPP said:

This is an extract of a speech made by ex Prime Minister, John Major, on Brexit yesterday. http://www.johnmajorarchive.org.uk/2015-2/sir-john-majors-speech-middle-temples-treasurers-lecture-the-state-were-in/

 

'Brexit was sold to our electors on false premises.

 

Promises made will not – indeed, cannot – be kept. To leave the EU – to separate ourselves from our neighbours – was sold as “regaining sovereignty”, but it is, and will prove to be, a long and painful ball and chain on our national wellbeing.

 

After the Referendum, Brexiteers did not even bother to argue the merits of their case – why should they? – it was “the will of the people”. And once “the will of the people” was asserted as a repeated mantra – and the Brexit leaders claimed to speak for all “the people” – any opposition to Brexit became illegitimate, and any contrary view was howled down.

 

Free speech for those who supported remaining in the EU came at a price. They were pilloried as “Remoaners”: sticking to long-held principles and policies, and warning of clear dangers ahead was depicted as “sour grapes by sore losers”.

 

Even Judges were denounced as “Enemies of the People” for ruling on a Point of Law. Opponents of Brexit were cowed, and free speech was curtailed. It was shameful. No democracy should find itself in such a position.

 

Overseas, the outcome of the Referendum delighted our enemies and dismayed our friends. As our nation voted against its history and its self-interest, a bemused world looked on, wondering why we had chosen to become poorer and less influential.

 

Brexit was sold to the nation as a win-win situation. It is not. We were promised we would stay in the Single Market. We have not. We were told trade with the EU would be frictionless. It will not be.

 

We were promised we would save billions in payments to the European Union: a bus was driven around the country telling us so. Not so: Brexit is costing billions – not saving them.

 

We were told that our “liberated country” could cut back on bureaucracy and regulations. We now know they will increase – and dramatically.

 

We were promised we would strike lucrative trade deals with America, India, China and others in quick time. Japan apart – we have not.

 

More recently – and for the first time in our long history – Ministers have proposed legislation giving them powers to break the law. This is a slippery slope down which no democratic Government should ever travel.

 

And, it was claimed, Brexit wouldn’t increase support for Scottish independence or a united Ireland. It has.

 

It defies logic that intelligent men and women making such extravagant promises did not know they were undeliverable – and yet they continued to make them.

 

It was politics. It was campaigning. It was for a cause.

 

It was also unforgiveable.

 

If that is how we are going to conduct our public affairs, then not only will our politics truly fall into a bad place, but our word as a nation will no longer be trusted.'

 

Well said, John Major.

He’s correct, we’re in the middle of an economically disastrous pandemic and we are going to hit ourselves with the biggest economic shock since the 1930s (Brexit) - which no other country would dream of doing. It’s absolute madness.

Edited by Mister Gee

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"We are no longer a great power. We will never be so again. In a world of nearly 8 billion people, well under 1% are British." - Sir John Major.

 

http://www.johnmajorarchive.org.uk/2015-2/sir-john-majors-speech-middle-temples-treasurers-lecture-the-state-were-in/

 

Oh no! Much wailing and sobbing! We’re not a great power...

 

What planet do these third rate failed ex-politicians live on? Their concerns and priorities are completely out of touch with the majority of people. "Great power" indeed. As if people are crying into their beer that we are not a "great power" anymore. I say thank goodness we are not a "great power" and that we have firmly kicked into touch that jumped up trading bloc that has very real aspirations to be a "great power" - the EU.

 

We are just a decent people that wish to live our lives in peace and trade with others under our own rules and regulations. 

 

So let's do this!

 

2 hours ago, RJRB said:

I see you as a quintessential middle of the road voter as you seem to support both the extreme left and extreme right  from week to week.

Always interesting though.😁

Thank you.

 

No matter the strength of the discussion, you are always polite and make very interesting points.

 

You would make a good Brexiter.

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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

"We are no longer a great power. We will never be so again. In a world of nearly 8 billion people, well under 1% are British." - Sir John Major.

 

http://www.johnmajorarchive.org.uk/2015-2/sir-john-majors-speech-middle-temples-treasurers-lecture-the-state-were-in/

 

Oh no! Much wailing and sobbing! We’re not a great power...

 

What planet do these third rate failed ex-politicians live on? Their concerns and priorities are completely out of touch with the majority of people. "Great power" indeed. As if people are crying into their beer that we are not a "great power" anymore. I say thank goodness we are not a "great power" and that we have firmly kicked into touch that jumped up trading bloc that has very real aspirations to be a "great power" - the EU.

 

We are just a decent people that wish to live our lives in peace and trade with others under our own rules and regulations. 

 

 

In your dreams - either by a trade agreement where larger countries / blocs hold the best cards - or WTO rules which add costs to goods we import (making prices in the UK higher) or export (making the UK less competitive).

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33 minutes ago, Longcol said:

In your dreams - either by a trade agreement where larger countries / blocs hold the best cards - or WTO rules which add costs to goods we import (making prices in the UK higher) or export (making the UK less competitive).

Why do you want to be a part of a very controlling political union in which any influence you may have is diluted due to the sheer number of other weaker participants in the union?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Why do you want to be a part of a very controlling political union in which any influence you may have is diluted due to the sheer number of other weaker participants in the union?

 

 

Nice dodge - again.

 

What on earth makes you think that we can "trade with others under our own rules and regulations."

Edited by Longcol

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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

You would make a good Brexiter.

Why? is he a disaster capitalist?

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9 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Why do you want to be a part of a very controlling political union in which any influence you may have is diluted due to the sheer number of other weaker participants in the union?

 

 

Why wouldn’t you want to be part of a large collective, working together for mutual benefit?

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6 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Nice dodge - again.

 

What on earth makes you think that we can "trade with others under our own rules and regulations."

Still waiting for someone to explain how every nation on earth except for 27 of them, manages to trade without being a member of the EU as we did for the greater part of our history.

We just need to stop being so weak kneed and show a bit of positive courage.

 

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