Dromedary 166 #4225 Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Magilla said: Reduce the coverage of the NHS, or the Police, or any system... and you will see cases that the system is supposed to prevent... going up! You claimed "there so there is no way of judging how effective any coverage can be", that is clearly false. Ridiculously so! Not really as you cannot factor in the unknown precisely so you cannot judge exactly how effective any coverage can be. Covid Vaccines are a prime example of that. Reminds me of someone once asking me to do a poll, when I said I always lie she said that's OK we factor that in! Quote I'm stating that the detection of failures/issues will increase if you actually look. It's really not a difficult concept. That's true and again Covid testing showed that up to be true but that was not what you were asking. Quote .... There's a phrase... "When you're in a hole... stop digging!" I know...... 👍 Edited May 20, 2022 by Dromedary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla 510 #4226 Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Dromedary said: Not really as you cannot factor in the unknown precisely so you cannot judge exactly how effective any coverage can be. You can measure the incidence of things the system was supposed to prevent increasing if coverage is removed... really! Quote Reminds me of someone once asking me to do a poll, when I said I always lie she said that's OK we factor that in! Like your notions re: The N.I Border, completely irrelevant. Quote That's true and again Covid testing showed that up to be true but that was not what you were asking. The effectiveness of a system is increased with better coverage, it can be measured. Your original claim (along with your explanations of probability, possibility and likelihood) is logically and factually incorrect. Edited May 20, 2022 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dromedary 166 #4227 Posted May 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Magilla said: You can measure the incidence of things the system was supposed to prevent increasing if coverage is removed... really! That may be so but coverage is not being removed is it so it's irrelevant. What did you say about digging holes.... 5 minutes ago, Magilla said: Like your notions re: The N.I Border, completely irrelevant. So is the above quote citing the N.I. Border. 5 minutes ago, Magilla said: The effectiveness of a system is increased with better coverage, it can be measured. No it can increase not is increased as there is no guarantee that would happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla 510 #4228 Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Dromedary said: That may be so but coverage is not being removed is it so it's irrelevant. A... if it's so, your original claim cannot be B... I never claimed it was I stated that if a 65% uplift in funding required to maintain standards we enjoyed as EU members, it's self evident that either standards will drop or we will pay more. As before, an example of the stupidity and expense of Brexit. Quote What did you say about digging holes.... It's amusing to watch you having to break your back doing it Quote So is the above quote citing the N.I. Border. Indeed, but it does highlight the cognitive failure of your argument in that case I am not the only poster pointing out the similarities Quote No it can increase not is increased as there is no guarantee that would happen. Desperate stuff, indeed! Edited May 20, 2022 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Litotes 63 #4229 Posted May 20, 2022 You couldn't make it up... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61524965 Stanley Johnson becomes French to keep link with EU That and the fact that two of Farage's kids have German passports really sums up the farce that was Brexit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest sibon #4230 Posted May 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, West 77 said: Stanley Johnson is a Remainer. It's a shame all the Remainers haven't become French citizens and left these shores. You'd have quite a skill shortage if they had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Litotes 63 #4231 Posted May 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, sibon said: You'd have quite a skill shortage if they had. Even more of a skills shortage What were the numbers after we had taken back control...? Oh yes... "Number of foreign nurses hired by NHS hit record high last year: 23,000 - nearly HALF of new recruits - trained abroad, with majority from India and the Philippines" 32 minutes ago, West 77 said: Stanley Johnson is a Remainer. It's a shame all the Remainers haven't become French citizens and left these shores. Classic xenophobic brexiteer... hope you don't get ill and have to be treated by the NHS, you might have an allergic reaction! 34 minutes ago, West 77 said: Stanley Johnson is a Remainer. It's a shame all the Remainers haven't become French citizens and left these shores. Remind me of Farage's stance? Oh yes, a staunch brexiteer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad 3,976 #4232 Posted May 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Litotes said: You couldn't make it up... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61524965 Stanley Johnson becomes French to keep link with EU That and the fact that two of Farage's kids have German passports really sums up the farce that was Brexit... Whats Farages kids got to do with it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Litotes 63 #4233 Posted May 20, 2022 Nothing, it is about their father who wanted to get out of Europe but who sat on the fence by getting them german passports. Such hypocrisy is embedded and deep seated in the brexiteers. I am still waiting for the £350M a week windfall to the NHS - where is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
geared 317 #4234 Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Litotes said: I am still waiting for the £350M a week windfall to the NHS - where is it? Be just what we need to pay back the big Brexit debt wouldn't it? Edited May 21, 2022 by geared Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid 220 #4235 Posted May 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Litotes said: I am still waiting for the £350M a week windfall to the NHS - where is it? Being able to recruit staff from around the world is just as important. We are now seen as a more divided and less friendly country. Although I did see a story about record numbers of NHS nurses working for the NHS. How does that fit with Brexit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla 510 #4236 Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) The marginalisation begins... Cambridge University astrophysicist loses space project role amid Brexit row: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/21/cambridge-university-astrophysicist-loses-esa-project-role-over-brexit-row-nicholas-walton Doesn't look like the US is falling for Truss's rhetoric either: Northern Ireland: UK and EU's row risks Western unity, top US official warns: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61521540 ...they appear to have spotted the gaping hole in the logic of the UK's position, Frost still fails to understand that his plan will only work... with a border! Edited May 21, 2022 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...