Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[L00b 441]

11 minutes ago, Magilla said:

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You couldn't make it up... annoyingly, wasn't pulled up about it at all.

To the exception of a few longtime specialists, like Tony Connelly and Peter Foster, I don’t believe that many journalists have much of a clue, where details of Brexit implementation (-and-not) are concerned.

 

Whichever sector you look at, it soon goes into ‘expert’ territory, and ‘experts’ still aren’t flavour of the month with populist politicians,  their client media, and vast swathes of the British public suspended to their prose.

 

There was never much of any pulling up back in 2015/2016, it was already all about the ratings then.  Then people got bored of Brexit. So…well…6 years and an actual, very hard Brexit later: here we are.
 

 

[Dromedary 166]

42 minutes ago, Magilla said:

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There would be nothing stopping dishonest traders/consumers then moving those goods into Ireland (and vice versa)... so his aims will ultimately lead to the need for a border!

There was nothing stopping dishonest traders from doing that before Brexit either, remember the horsemeat scandal. Can't see a problem with having a border either.

 

[Magilla 510]

2 hours ago, L00b said:

Then people got bored of Brexit. So…well…6 years and an actual, very hard Brexit later: here we are.

 

"That's a nice car plant you've got there Nissan, it'd be a shame if someone put tariffs on it"

Edited May 11, 2022 by Magilla

[Magilla 510]

2 hours ago, Dromedary said:

There was nothing stopping dishonest traders from doing that before Brexit either, remember the horsemeat scandal.

You conflate two entirely separate issues, this was not a case of one market undermining the security and integrity of another (and vice-versa).

 

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Can't see a problem with having a border either.

Brexit makes a border an absolute necessity, the problem is where should it be!

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[Litotes 63]

So Brexit appears to have failed on so many fronts.

 

Now is the time to be democratic and allow the electorate a vote on whether or not to join the EU.

 

Anything else would be undemocratic!

[Dromedary 166]

11 minutes ago, Litotes said:

So Brexit appears to have failed on so many fronts.

 

Now is the time to be democratic and allow the electorate a vote on whether or not to join the EU.

 

Anything else would be undemocratic!

You are joking right!

 

The electorate have already democratically voted in the past on joining and also recently on leaving the EU, so it seems what you want the best of three because it's a bit of democracy you don't like. What is undemocratic is wanting to have another vote so soon after the last one. Give it 10 years and maye it could happen, providing the EU lasts that long.

 

We have a government in disarray, no viable opposition to them and yet somehow want to overturn the democratic outcome that the conservatives uphed and got into power for to carry through. Unless you can get another party into power that wants to join up again you are well and truly stuffed.

 

 

[L00b 441]

3 hours ago, Litotes said:

So Brexit appears to have failed on so many fronts.

 

Now is the time to be democratic and allow the electorate a vote on whether or not to join the EU.

 

Anything else would be undemocratic!

That proposal assumes that the EU would have the UK back on a positive vote, and glosses over the non-trivial strings (…marine-grade ship-towing chains) attached to rejoining (€, FoM).

 

You’re not ready. By a good 5 years to a decade, I’d say. Your demographics need upending, and your national debate and politics seriously refreshing with heaps of objectivity: the EU doesn’t need another Hungary right now, or anytime soon.

 

Johnson’s crew is helping, ironically: the cost of access to healthcare is getting ever higher, the NHS rundown is accelerating unopposed, poverty and food insecurity is growing fast, and life expectancy is free-falling in the UK. Sooner or later, something will give.

Edited May 11, 2022 by L00b

[Dromedary 166]

30 minutes ago, L00b said:

That proposal assumes that the EU would have the UK back on a positive vote, and glosses over the non-trivial strings (…marine-grade ship-towing chains) attached to rejoining (€, FoM).

 

You’re not ready. By a good 5 years to a decade, I’d say. 

I agree.

 

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Your demographics need upending, and your national debate and politics seriously refreshing with heaps of objectivity: the EU doesn’t need another Hungary right now, or anytime soon.

Agreed again, (the bit in bold) that is. It's got enough to cope with, rising oil and gas prices because of Putin. Rising inflation because of Putin. Trying to get an EU wide consensus on stopping the trade in oil and gas from Russia, which may or may not happen by the end of the year. 

 

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Johnson’s crew is helping, ironically: the cost of access to healthcare is getting ever higher,

Is it, for who?

 

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the NHS rundown is accelerating unopposed,

What rundown?

 

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poverty and food insecurity is growing fast,

Is that real poverty or just relative poverty? 

 

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and life expectancy is free-falling in the UK.

Is it hell as like, its down a bit maybe 6 months on the average lifespan and that's all. It's also fallen in most of the EU member states as well.

 

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Sooner or later, something will give. 

Possibly, but what!

 

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[ads36 217]

11 hours ago, Dromedary said:

Is it, for who?

 

What rundown?

thousands of people.

 

My Mil : kidney stones - told it would take months to sort out, she was in agony, went private, all sorted very quickly.

 

My FiL : some sort of weird tumour on his side, his GP basically wished him good luck, and to keep an eye on it. He went private, all sorted very quickly.

 

My Mother : right now - has something very wrong with her throat, cannot open her mouth to eat (or even really speak) - been waiting weeks just to get a date for an NHS appointment/referral.  Contacted a private clinic on Tuesday, she's being seen today. All fingers are crossed.

 

I need to see a dentist, it's been couple of years since i went to my NHS Dentist - for obvious reasons. But i find out i've been dropped because i didn't go. Where the hell do i find a dentist now?

 

The NHS is broken.

 

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[carosio 186]

You can blame me for Brexit as unfortunately I was one who in 1975 voted to remain.

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[carosio 186]

That's right, it's only in recent years that I realise why there were passionate objections to signing up to the Maastricht treaty.

[Magilla 510]

49 minutes ago, carosio said:

That's right, it's only in recent years that I realise why there were passionate objections to signing up to the Maastricht treaty.

They were the same objections as per the 1975 referendum "No" campaign.

 

There would have been no Good Friday Agreement or peace in NI without the Maastricht treaty.