Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[altus 538]

7 hours ago, West 77 said:

 

Brexit is a single issue in which the British people were given the job of deciding whether the UK remained or left the EU.  The British people decided to leave the EU.  Brexit was never a policy of any of the main political parties.

Your claim to support this

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It's not undemocratic for the opposition parties not to support the policies of the government.

is undermined by your following sentence.

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However all the political parties should have supported the implementation of Brexit just like all the electorate should support the democratic choice the British people made.

The referendum result did not define what form being out of the EU would take. Even Nigel Farage, before the vote, said it could be a Norway style deal where we would be out of the EU but still in the EFTA.

 

It's fully respectful of the referendum result for politicians to argue what form brexit should take. If you really believed that all politicians should just support the government's position on the form brexit should take you'd have criticised the ERG for not voting for May's deal.

 

Given brexit has still yet to be finalised (and won't be until the NI/RoI border issues are sorted) it's still entirely democratic and respectful of the referendum result for politicians to argue what form that border should take.

 

If the Conservatives wanted the opposition to support their brexit proposals they should have, like they do with all legislation they want cross party support for, meaningfully involved the opposition parties in defining those proposals. They didn't - they implemented a Tory only brexit for party political reasons.

[Baron99 779]

I'll more than likely be otherwise enjoyimg myself when it happens so Happy New Year & also happy anniversary to the other 17,410,741, like-minded individuals such as me. 

 

As for the 16,141,241.  You really do need to move on now. 

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

I'll more than likely be otherwise enjoyimg myself when it happens so Happy New Year & also happy anniversary to the other 17,410,741, like-minded individuals such as me.

You assume they still exist:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-leave-british-fisherman-eu-b1834389.html

 

 

1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

As for the 16,141,241.  You really do need to move on now. 

In translation: "Please stop pointing out what a gullible idiot I am"...

 

...no fear, many years to go yet!

[sadbrewer 20]

On 31/12/2021 at 16:44, Magilla said:

You assume they still exist:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-leave-british-fisherman-eu-b1834389.html

 

 

In translation: "Please stop pointing out what a gullible idiot I am"...

 

...no fear, many years to go yet!

Actually Ian Perkes gave that interview in January 2021 ( only reported  months later by the Indy), if you remember virtually no fish were exported in the first 2/3 months of 2021 due to paperwork problems,  over the next six months exports  bounced back to over 90% of the previous years.

[Baron99 779]

In his New Year’s speech, Starmer said he was 'Determined that Britain should profit from our strong global relationships... that means not just getting Brexit done but making Brexit work,'

 

Well there's another ardent Remainer who's accepted things.  Hopefully the dwindling band of Remainers will see the futility of continous dummy spitting. 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Baron99

[The Joker 10]

26 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

In his New Year’s speech, Starmer said he was 'Determined that Britain should profit from our strong global relationships... that means not just getting Brexit done but making Brexit work,'

 

Well there's another ardent Remainer who's accepted things.  Hopefully the dwindling band of Remainers will see the futility of continous dummy spitting.  

 

Then I guess the obvious question is:

 

How do we make Brexit work ?

 

Because all I’ve seen so far is:

 

1) a devaluation in the value of sterling

2) increased prices of goods

3) increased costs and delays in shipping items overseas

4) and a complete inability to close our borders.

 

The fishermen who voted for Brexit aren’t happy.

 

The farmers who voted for Brexit aren’t happy.

 

And the Sectarian bigots of the DUP aren’t happy.

 

In fact, as the Frost Lord’s recent resignation has shown, even the incompetent shower that gave us Brexit can’t make it work.

 

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by The Joker

[L00b 441]

10 hours ago, The Joker said:

Then I guess the obvious question is:

 

How do we make Brexit work ?

 

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Start with better IT project managers:

 

A change of government, for one not under the thumb of the ERG, would not go amiss either.  It should allow for more constructive talks, rather than double-down on the vacuous rethoric every time Johnson needs a dead cat to throw.

 

In view of her signalling so far, Truss seems to have thrown her lot in with the crazies, where Brexit is concerned. So you may be waiting a tad longer still.

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12 hours ago, The Joker said:

How do we make Brexit work ?

among other things - accept alignment of EU standards - that would solve a lot of problems. We're more or less locked in to them anyway - they're integral to the trade deals we've signed, and the trade deals we're looking to sign.  Why cause so many serious problems by insisting that we maintain the right to lower our standards ? - it's especially pointless when we have very few (no?) specific or useful changes in mind.

Edited January 6, 2022 by ads36

[Magilla 510]

On 01/01/2022 at 18:49, sadbrewer said:

Actually Ian Perkes gave that interview in January 2021 ( only reported  months later by the Indy), if you remember virtually no fish were exported in the first 2/3 months of 2021 due to paperwork problems,  over the next six months exports  bounced back to over 90% of the previous years.

Mr.Perkes  was interviewed again a couple of months ago, his views haven't changed

[Magilla 510]

20 hours ago, The Joker said:

How do we make Brexit work ?

Depends on what you call "making it work"... it doesn't necessarily mean it will be beneficial to the country or it's residents.

 

Would reducing the standard of living, or rolling back the welfare state be "making it work"?

 

 

In other news...

 

Brexit will get real in 2022:

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/brexit-will-get-real-in-2022-this-year-has-been-a-hall-pass-for-everyone-20211213

"The past 12 months have 'been a bit of a hall pass for everyone and that is now coming to an end'

Brexit is not going to be good for the City and the UK financial services industry. 2022 is when we’ll start to really see that.”

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Magilla

[sadbrewer 20]

8 hours ago, Magilla said:

Mr.Perkes  was interviewed again a couple of months ago, his views haven't changed

Not everyone in the industry agrees with him though...

Barry Young, Managing Director, Brixham Trawler Agents said:

“2021 saw a record year for the world famous Brixham Fish Market. Despite the pandemic and rumours around the impact of Brexit we have seen both our sales to domestic markets and exports to the EU increase nicely. With over £43.5m worth of sales taking place in 2021, we are expecting 2022 to be an even bigger year.

The combination of life outside of the EU and the pandemic has ensured that we have diversified our markets and looked to new opportunities. From increasing our domestic market sales to being well prepared for any bureaucratic changes, Brixham Fish market has shown that there is a positive story to tell and it is well reflected in these record sales numbers.

We are looking to see Brixham build upon this success and with some extra investment from the Fisheries and Seafood Scheme and Levelling Up Fund, we can continue to support this noble industry and this historic coastal community.”

[Magilla 510]

On 06/01/2022 at 18:08, sadbrewer said:

Not everyone in the industry agrees with him though...

Barry Young, Managing Director, Brixham Trawler Agents said:

“2021 saw a record year for the world famous Brixham Fish Market. Despite the pandemic and rumours around the impact of Brexit we have seen both our sales to domestic markets and exports to the EU increase nicely. With over £43.5m worth of sales taking place in 2021, we are expecting 2022 to be an even bigger year.”

On the face of it that does sound like good news. However, prior to Brexit just over a third of UK catches were landed outside the UK, so it's inevitable domestic sales would increase.

 

The proof of the pudding, given the significant rise in costs and red tape, is whether those increased sales ultimately lead to increased profit.

 

Doesn't seem to be any published info on that as yet, for some reason

 

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Magilla