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[Magilla 510]

20 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It's still early days.  Changes can be made  to the protocol either by negotiation or unilaterally should the UK Government see fit.

Nope, it's a legally binding international agreement. Changes cannot be made unilaterally.

 

The DUP and the governments claim that it undermines the Belfast agreement is nonsense, doesn't hold water... that's from one of the authors of the GFA!

 

As with the EU ambassadors diplomatic status, the US will be having a word...

 

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Northern Ireland will get a chance to decide the future of the protocol in 2024 assuming it's still in place.

...and the DUP aren't happy about that either, a simple majority... which they'll lose... and if the assembly isn't sitting, the protocol remains.

 

Regardless, there will be a border, whether that's on land or in the sea.

 

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When Boris became Prime Minister he inherited a mess that Theresa May made in her negotiations with the EU regarding Northern Ireland.

Aye, May made such a mess of it she solved *all* of these problems!

 

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Boris got rid of the backstop.  The important thing is that the Northern Ireland situation didn't prevent the UK from leaving the EU thanks to Boris and democracy is the big winner.

Unless you live in NI, in which case you've been pretty much ignored, and repeatedly lied to.

Edited May 18, 2021 by Magilla

[El Cid 220]

Apparently, some of our farmers, who have close friends in Westminster, dont like free trade!

 

Ministers have been involved in a “ferocious” row over the possible terms of a new UK-Australia deal, amid warnings British farming could suffer “irreversible damage” as a result of the eventual agreement.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/australia-deal-liz-truss-brexit-b1849297.html

[GabrielC 56]

The Northern Ireland game goes on it would seem that Lord Frost no longer likes his own agreement as he wants to get rid of the Protocol allegedly been talking to Paramilitary groups who are less than happy with the sea border. This could be interesting and very likely upset Washington and blame game towards the EU  will be at full blast. 

 

The thing is they are playing an dangerous game with people lives you know the everyday people like you and I. It took years to get the IRA and the Paramilitaries to even sit in the same room let alone talk to each other. All this to please a few hard right  MPs in the government who think they can play God with other people's lives. 

 

 

[Mister Gee 823]

35 minutes ago, GabrielC said:

The Northern Ireland game goes on it would seem that Lord Frost no longer likes his own agreement as he wants to get rid of the Protocol allegedly been talking to Paramilitary groups who are less than happy with the sea border. This could be interesting and very likely upset Washington and blame game towards the EU  will be at full blast. 

 

The thing is they are playing an dangerous game with people lives you know the everyday people like you and I. It took years to get the IRA and the Paramilitaries to even sit in the same room let alone talk to each other. All this to please a few hard right  MPs in the government who think they can play God with other people's lives. 

 

 

If we lived in a decent country Frost would still be boring his fellow intoxicated mates in the bar of a Home Counties golf club not screwing up the future of the country.

Edited May 18, 2021 by Mister Gee

[altus 540]

In news that will surprise nobody - Government Didn't Expect Brexit To Be So Disruptive For Northern Ireland, David Frost Admits

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Frost, the Cabinet Office minister who led the UK's trade talks with the European Union, on Monday told the European Security Committee that post-Brexit disruption to trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland had been greater than what the government had expected.

 

"They probably have a bigger chilling effect than we thought on GB businesses wanting to move goods into Northern Ireland," he said about new border checks, adding: "This is one of the problems that is underlying some of the unrest and political developments we are seeing in Northern Ireland."

In other Brexit related news, Nigel Farage has been on a speaking tour in the USA with free tickets. It hasn't been going very well

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Small update - 14 people actually attended. The other 6 were part of the Farage group.

 

In unrelated news 2981 people registered for the event but I assume they must have had some trouble getting there.

 

[Magilla 510]

3 hours ago, El Cid said:

Apparently, some of our farmers, who have close friends in Westminster, dont like free trade!

 

Ministers have been involved in a “ferocious” row over the possible terms of a new UK-Australia deal, amid warnings British farming could suffer “irreversible damage” as a result of the eventual agreement.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/australia-deal-liz-truss-brexit-b1849297.html

LOL, who knew?

 

Wait 'till they see the US deal Truss comes up with...

[altus 540]

3 minutes ago, Magilla said:

LOL, who knew?

 

Wait 'till they see the US deal Truss comes up with...

A danger of Brexit, even if you agree with it, was always that those implementing it would be so keen to get trade deals quickly that they'd agree to bad deals just so they could claim it was a success. Truss seems keener to get a deal with Australia in time for the G7 meeting for publicity reasons than a good one for UK farmers.

[Magilla 510]

13 hours ago, altus said:

A danger of Brexit, even if you agree with it, was always that those implementing it would be so keen to get trade deals quickly that they'd agree to bad deals just so they could claim it was a success. Truss seems keener to get a deal with Australia in time for the G7 meeting for publicity reasons than a good one for UK farmers.

UK government to pay older farmers to retire:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149744

"The Tenant Farmers' Association sought the views of 360 farmers and reported that three-quarters of them were seriously interested in the proposed retirement scheme"

 

I guess that's one way of reducing the problem

[RJRB 688]

I listened to a Sussex sheep farmer on the radio who now feared a flood of imported cheaper meat into the U.K. market to the cost of home producers.

She voted for Brexit apparently in the belief that they would be protected and that British quality would be supported by domestic consumers.

When asked if this British quality would open new export markets she didn’t see this as being a probable outcome.

The consequences of Brexit for farmers and fishermen are becoming reality.

In due course we will also have the disappointment of international travellers,and those who expected “effective” immigration control.

Total naivety and lack of understanding carried the vote.

 

[tinfoilhat 11]

25 minutes ago, RJRB said:

I listened to a Sussex sheep farmer on the radio who now feared a flood of imported cheaper meat into the U.K. market to the cost of home producers.

She voted for Brexit apparently in the belief that they would be protected and that British quality would be supported by domestic consumers.

When asked if this British quality would open new export markets she didn’t see this as being a probable outcome.

The consequences of Brexit for farmers and fishermen are becoming reality.

In due course we will also have the disappointment of international travellers,and those who expected “effective” immigration control.

Total naivety and lack of understanding carried the vote.

 

Liz truss has properly thrown them under a bus. 

[whiteowl 54]

2 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Liz truss has properly thrown them under a bus. 

But did the bus have £350 million to the NHS written on the side? 🤔

[Delbow 700]

On 19/05/2021 at 11:34, Magilla said:

UK government to pay older farmers to retire:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149744

"The Tenant Farmers' Association sought the views of 360 farmers and reported that three-quarters of them were seriously interested in the proposed retirement scheme"

 

I guess that's one way of reducing the problem

That's not a very Tory way to go about things. What about market solutions? They like those. Maybe they should be offering bounties to people to 'retire' farmers instead.

 

"Hello farmer Brown, any plans to retire soon"

 

"Nope"

 

chk-chk BOOM!

 

"I'll have my £50k now thank you Mr Eustice"