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On 30/04/2021 at 23:07, Baron99 said:

I'm quite happy to own things.  I don't know about you but when things don't work out, most people try & find a way of putting them right. 

It's quite clear that Brexit hasn't worked out for the UK fishing fleet. It's also quite clear that an ideologically pure Brexit is never going to be "a way of putting them right".

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If you suggest that "If we ever negotiate a deal that's better than the EU have with a country", of course people like me will be quick to claim is because of Brexit because we'd have to be outside the EU to make that deal for starters. 

 

The question is would you then own the disappointment that you were wrong about Brexit or would you continue wear the faux misery & disappointed like a hair shirt?

Not at all. If we do ever negotiate a better deal with a country than the EU have I will be relieved because it will mean the country is better than if we hadn't and it would go at least some way to counteract all those poorer deals we have. The government are going to have to their act together though because the economic balance sheet so far has the downsides from leaving massively outweighing the positives.

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17 hours ago, Magilla said:

They're not necessarily, it's not all elders: 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/04/05/britains-wartime-generation-are-almost-as-pro-eu-as-millennials/

 

The ones with actual experience of what division brings weren't voting for Brexit.

Opinion polls?  How wrong they were!

 

The majority voted for BREXIT.

 

Then they voted for Boris to implement it.

 

Voters don't count anymore?

 

It is what it is, for better, or worse.

Edited May 3, 2021 by trastrick

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

Opinion polls?  How wrong they were!

...about those that fought against "German hegemony" in WW2?

 

Nope

 

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The majority voted for BREXIT.

 

Then they voted for Boris to implement it.

 

Voters don't count anymore?

You were talking about old people that fought against German hegemony.... those voters didn't...

 

...those that were still alive went out of their way to highlight the stupidity of it

 

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It is what it is, for better, or worse.

Worse... clearly!

Edited May 3, 2021 by Magilla

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22 hours ago, trastrick said:

Thanks for the correction.

It should have said:

 

"Somebody posted here that the Brexit voters were mostly older folk"..

"Should our elders be so easily dismissed?".

Why would older people be more likely to vote for Brexit? Maybe they use a different form of media, maybe their social circle does not include non-whites or maybe because they are wealthier?

Not dismissing them at all.

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4 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Because older people tend to have more respect and pride for their own country.

Than the ones who risked their lives and have actually fought to protect it?

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18 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Because older people tend to have more respect and pride for their own country.

Respect and pride for ones own country doesn't necessarily mean wrapping yourself in the Union Jack and making its citizens poorer with fewer opportunities 

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33 minutes ago, Magilla said:

...about those that fought against "German hegemony" in WW2?

 

Nope

 

You were talking about old people that fought against German hegemony.... those voters didn't...

 

...those that were still alive went out of their way to highlight the stupidity of it

 

Worse... clearly!

Remains to be seen. it's early doors yet.

 

If it's better, conservatives have a good chance of being re-elected, if it's worse, goodbye  Boris.

 

How's he doing in the polls lately? Do most voters share your views, or are you clairevoyant?

 

 

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

Respect for ones own country is also respecting and supporting a democratic choice the majority of the electorate made.  Brexit could have been stopped at the 2019 December General Election because any result other than a good Tory working majority would have prevented the UK leaving the EU.  

 

Just for completeness any change in Government's policies means there are winners and losers.   For example the change to promoting greener initiatives means the days of the coal merchants are numbered.  The difference with Brexit is every adult had the opportunity to have their say via the ballot box. 

55.4% of the electorate voted for parties that promised a second referendum, but that’s democracy for you in a first past the post system.

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2 hours ago, trastrick said:

If it's better, conservatives have a good chance of being re-elected, if it's worse, goodbye  Boris.

 

How's he doing in the polls lately? Do most voters share your views, or are you clairevoyant?

We are £303 billion in debt, if we start to pay off our debts like we did after the 2010 election, people will feel the pain.

Johnson isnt feeling the pain, gold wallpaper and a new Royal yacht I hear. Will he still be PM next year, I doubt it.

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Just now, El Cid said:

We are £303 billion in debt, if we start to pay off our debts like we did after the 2010 election, people will feel the pain.

Johnson isnt feeling the pain, gold wallpaper and a new Royal yacht I hear. Will he still be PM next year, I doubt it.

Sources - and don't say Twitter/Facebook.

[John1954 10]

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

When the UK joined the EEC in the 70's it was only just over 25 years after the Germans were defeated in World War II.  At that time many people still would not  buy German or Japanese cars because of what happened in the war. The EEC was sold to the UK public as a trading organisation and not the political organisation dominated by Germany that it turned into.  Both those who risked their lives and those who respected those who lost their lives voted to leave the monster EU what it turned into.

What is your evidence for German domination. They had the same proportion of MEPs to population as the other big nations such as France, UK and Italy. The smaller nations had a much greater representation as a proportion of their population.

2 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Sources - and don't say Twitter/Facebook.

Office for National Statistics

 

 

Public sector net debt (excluding public sector banks, PSND ex) rose by £333.0 billion over the 11 months of the financial year-to-February 2021, taking it to £2,131.2 billion or around 97.5% of gross domestic product (GDP); maintaining a level not seen since the early 1960s.19 Mar 2021

 

 

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4 minutes ago, John1954 said:

Public sector net debt (excluding public sector banks, PSND ex) rose by £333.0 billion over the 11 months of the financial year-to-February 2021, taking it to £2,131.2 billion or around 97.5% of gross domestic product (GDP); maintaining a level not seen since the early 1960s.19 Mar 2021

 

 

My comment was not in reply to you, but El Cid in a previous post.