Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[apelike 10]

3 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

I would call it dodging the question

You mean not explaining why a hard Brexit has been catastrophic, hence the straw man bit.

[altus 538]

1 hour ago, GabrielC said:

The question I have about the Brexit saga is during the referendum we were told even if we voted leave we would still be in the Single Market and the Custom Union repeatedly by both sides. Roll on to Theresa Mays time this was dropped and the slogan ' Brexit means Brexit was pumped out by the government even though Mays deal would have the back stop to avoid an border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to me that was fair. But the deal was defeated a number of times but no real answers on what to do on the border issue. Given the unrest in Northern Ireland pulse the benefits to business surely it would have made more sense to stay in the Single Market and the Custom Union remember Norway have this arrangement yes I am aware the hard core Brexiteer would say no way but we need to face reality the EU is our nearest trading partner but the government seem L -bent on a US deal though Biden does not seem that keen on the idea.

The leave campaigns didn't say we'd stay in the single market/customs union but that we'd keep all the benefits of doing so without having any of the responsibilities. This allowed them to avoid any questions about the consequences of leaving the EU - such as what about the border with Ireland or access to EU markets for our fishing fleets. Those leading the leave campaigns were either delusional as to what they could achieve or simply lying to get people to vote for them.

[apelike 10]

24 minutes ago, GabrielC said:

Northern Ireland is part of the Union not an country yes with an troubled past  it took decades to get both sides to talk resulting in The Belfast Agreement.

Yes I agree, Northern Ireland is just part of the Union and not a country in its own right so my apologies for that mistake.  

 

[GabrielC 53]

18 minutes ago, altus said:

The leave campaigns didn't say we'd stay in the single market/customs union but that we'd keep all the benefits of doing so without having any of the responsibilities. This allowed them to avoid any questions about the consequences of leaving the EU - such as what about the border with Ireland or access to EU markets for our fishing fleets. Those leading the leave campaigns were either delusional as to what they could achieve or simply lying to get people to vote for them.

So many lies told and still are. 

 

 

 

[hackey lad 3,950]

42 minutes ago, apelike said:

You mean not explaining why a hard Brexit has been catastrophic, hence the straw man bit.

Yes ,  I understand that

[Guest makapaka]

Need to be careful with all this.

 

the media are panicking about a lack of bad Covid news and need something else to feed on.

 

it would be interesting to see some proper journalism on what is happening in Northern Ireland - whether it’s a small minority or a genuine political change.

 

I’m worried it will get hyped up in the wrong direction to fill the void.

[RJRB 688]

3 hours ago, apelike said:

Nice straw man there... 

You start your list and I will start mine

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, RJRB said:

You start your list and I will start mine

Ahh, but I asked first.....  

 

If it cannot be explained why or how a hard Brexit has been catastrophic (a failure or disaster) then I don't need to put forward any explanation about it being a success.

Edited April 10, 2021 by apelike

[apelike 10]

4 hours ago, altus said:

Those leading the leave campaigns were either delusional as to what they could achieve or simply lying to get people to vote for them.

I think it was the former and for many just an ego trip to get Brexit passed.

[GabrielC 53]

A question to the Brexit supporters what do you want out of Brexit in trade terms? 

[carosio 186]

Th customs union and the single market was ok, it was the rest of it that was rejected.

 

 

[Delbow 693]

18 hours ago, apelike said:

Ahh, but I don't believe there can't be negatives though.

 

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“We have repeatedly urged HM Government, political leaders and Institutions to take seriously our warnings of the dangerous consequences of imposing this hard border on us and the need for earnest dialogue to resolve matters. We reiterate that message now,” the Loyalist Communities Council said.

"To date there has been a spectacular collective failure to understand properly the scale and nature of Unionist and Loyalist anger. Indeed there is a complete failure to understand Loyalists as people and equal citizens.

A new Protocol must be negotiated... this means no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom, and no hard border on this island.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/belfast-riots-loyalist-communities-council-20351387

Edited April 10, 2021 by Delbow