Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[apelike 10]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

It was good to see the Police using the water cannon.  Water cannons should be used on the UK mainland when lawless mobs go rioting or refuse to disperse when the police tell them to.   The mindset of those rioting in Belfast is the same as those  seen rioting in Bristol and has nothing at all to with Brexit.

Amazing as last time there were riots and the water cannon was used in NI it was in 2015 before the referendum and that had nothing to do with Brexit. This new wave is just an excuse by the anti brexiters to link it to Brexit as they are hard pressed to find any other excuses to say how bad Brexit has been so far or will be.

Edited April 9, 2021 by apelike

[RJRB 686]

18 minutes ago, apelike said:

Amazing as last time there were riots and the water cannon was used in NI it was in 2015 before the referendum and that had nothing to do with Brexit. This new wave is just an excuse by the anti brexiters to link it to Brexit as they are hard pressed to find any other excuses to say how bad Brexit has been so far or will be.

I think that if you read back through the posts since Dec 31st that you will find plenty of instances of the problems caused by Brexit,and you could trawl back further to try to find any benefits.

[Delbow 686]

Pretty much any complex decision is going to have negative and positive outcomes. You seem to think you're talking to a remain-at-all-costs fundamentalist - you're not. There will undoubtedly be benefits to leaving, as there would have been to remain. People who refuse to believe there can be negatives of Brexit (you and apelike, seemingly) and people who think there can only be negatives (Lib Dems) are equally ridiculous. If you want a religion, go to a place of worship.

[apelike 10]

29 minutes ago, Delbow said:

Pretty much any complex decision is going to have negative and positive outcomes. You seem to think you're talking to a remain-at-all-costs fundamentalist - you're not. There will undoubtedly be benefits to leaving, as there would have been to remain. People who refuse to believe there can be negatives of Brexit (you and apelike, seemingly) and people who think there can only be negatives (Lib Dems) are equally ridiculous.

Ahh, but I don't believe there can't be negatives though. It's just that some of the promised big ones such as an emergency budget, tax rises, inflation, mass unemployment and a lack of food and medicines as a result of Brexit have yet failed to materialise with any dire consequences to the general public.

 

29 minutes ago, Delbow said:

If you want a religion, go to a place of worship.

It's not necessary to go to a place of worship.

[GabrielC 53]

The question I have about the Brexit saga is during the referendum we were told even if we voted leave we would still be in the Single Market and the Custom Union repeatedly by both sides. Roll on to Theresa Mays time this was dropped and the slogan ' Brexit means Brexit was pumped out by the government even though Mays deal would have the back stop to avoid an border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to me that was fair. But the deal was defeated a number of times but no real answers on what to do on the border issue. Given the unrest in Northern Ireland pulse the benefits to business surely it would have made more sense to stay in the Single Market and the Custom Union remember Norway have this arrangement yes I am aware the hard core Brexiteer would say no way but we need to face reality the EU is our nearest trading partner but the government seem L -bent on a US deal though Biden does not seem that keen on the idea.

[apelike 10]

35 minutes ago, GabrielC said:

The question I have about the Brexit saga is during the referendum we were told even if we voted leave we would still be in the Single Market and the Custom Union repeatedly by both sides. Roll on to Theresa Mays time this was dropped and the slogan ' Brexit means Brexit was pumped out by the government even though Mays deal would have the back stop to avoid an border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to me that was fair. But the deal was defeated a number of times but no real answers on what to do on the border issue. Given the unrest in Northern Ireland pulse the benefits to business surely it would have made more sense to stay in the Single Market and the Custom Union remember Norway have this arrangement yes I am aware the hard core Brexiteer would say no way but we need to face reality the EU is our nearest trading partner but the government seem L -bent on a US deal though Biden does not seem that keen on the idea.

It seems like you as well as many others on this thread seem to want a single market and a customs union just for the sake of sparing NI any problems. NI will always have problems despite Brexit as it is still a very troubled country and has had suffered from problems despite the GFA. This current lot of rioting is just an example and anyone can easily see it is being caused by opportunists who just wish to stir up trouble for the sake of it.

Edited April 9, 2021 by apelike

[Guest sibon]

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3 minutes ago, apelike said:

This current lot of rioting is just an example and anyone can easily see it is being caused by opportunists who just wish to stir up trouble for the sake of it.

It was indeed.

 

It was caused by the opportunists who triggered our catastrophic hard Brexit.

Edited April 9, 2021 by sibon

[apelike 10]

1 minute ago, sibon said:

It was indeed.

 

The opportunists who triggered our catastrophic hard Brexit.

Why and how has it been catastrophic?

[RJRB 686]

15 minutes ago, apelike said:

Why and how has it been catastrophic?

Conversely why and how has it been a success?

[GabrielC 53]

36 minutes ago, apelike said:

It seems like you as well as many others on this thread seem to want a single market and a customs union just for the sake of sparing NI any problems. NI will always have problems despite Brexit as it is still a very troubled country and has had suffered from problems despite the GFA. This current lot of rioting is just an example and anyone can easily see it is being caused by opportunists who just wish to stir up trouble for the sake of it.

Northern Ireland is part of the Union not an country yes with an troubled past  it took decades to get both sides to talk resulting in The Belfast Agreement. The rioting is not down to ' opportunists' but the DUP and loyalists encouraging their supporters to make petrol bombs and target anyone that does not agree with them. It is only a matter of time before an bomb goes astray and lands in an republican area  then all hell will break lose. The bone of contention is the border the republicans want an open one the DUP want an hard one and certainly not happy about an border in the Irish sea when the UK was in the Single Market and Custom Union their was no border most were happy with that only the headline DUP was not. They thought Brexit would give them an hard border to keep the influence of the Republic out it has not turned out that way. My fear is this will get out of control and spread to the mainland you can not sweep Northern Ireland under the carpet.

[apelike 10]

29 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Conversely why and how has it been a success?

Nice straw man there... 

[hackey lad 3,942]

12 minutes ago, apelike said:

Nice straw man there... 

I would call it dodging the question