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[melthebell 862]

4 hours ago, RJRB said:

The trouble with you Mel is that you and numerous others are just looking at the short term problems.

Take comfort from the visionary Dominic Raab who believes that we should be looking 10 years down the line as we exploit new markets in Indo China.

Now does that make you feel happier.

Yeah I'm sure people who are starting to lose business now are looking forward to 10 years time 😛

[The Joker 10]

19 hours ago, RJRB said:

Take comfort from the visionary Dominic Raab who believes that we should be looking 10 years down the line as we exploit new markets in Indo China.

Why won't our lazy British farmers and our even lazier fishermen sell to these new markets in the Middle and Far East?

 

OK, so I doubt there's much of an appetite for beef in India, or for pork in Pakistan, but I'm sure if those fishermen just sailed a bit faster, and worked a bit harder, they could get their fish to the other side of the world before the fish spoiled, right?

 

(yes.  If you hadn't already worked it out, I'm being very, very sarcastic.  really)

[Mister M 1,605]

3 hours ago, The Joker said:

Why won't our lazy British farmers and our even lazier fishermen sell to these new markets in the Middle and Far East?

 

OK, so I doubt there's much of an appetite for beef in India, or for pork in Pakistan, but I'm sure if those fishermen just sailed a bit faster, and worked a bit harder, they could get their fish to the other side of the world before the fish spoiled, right?

 

(yes.  If you hadn't already worked it out, I'm being very, very sarcastic.  really)

I'm sure you've articulated everything that the Foreign Secretary, Home Secretary, Business Secretary, and Secretary for International Trade are secretly thinking.

Raab, Patel, Kwarteng, and Truss, all ardent Brexiteers wrote in 2012 that:

 

"The British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor." 

(Britannia Unchained).

 

Of course, as members of H.M. Government, none of the above would dream of saying anything as inflammatory now (though it's not harmed their boss Boris Johnson); especially they probably see farmers and fishermen as natural Tory voters and fellow brexiteers. So they wouldn't want to label them as idle sods.

Edited February 15, 2021 by Mister M

[whiteowl 54]

Lord Frost, the brexit negotiator, has become a cabinet minister.

 

Jobs for the boys springs to mind, and I'm soooo glad we got rid of all those unelected officials.... 🙄

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56101215

[andyofborg 11]

16 minutes ago, whiteowl said:

Lord Frost, the brexit negotiator, has become a cabinet minister.

 

Jobs for the boys springs to mind, and I'm soooo glad we got rid of all those unelected officials.... 🙄

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56101215

not really, unelected officials are never in the cabinet. 

 

it makes sense to put him in the cabinet, he should have been there 6 weeks ago

[whiteowl 54]

52 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

not really, unelected officials are never in the cabinet. 

 

it makes sense to put him in the cabinet, he should have been there 6 weeks ago

Erm, you do realise he's never been elected to anything? 🤔 

[andyofborg 11]

10 hours ago, whiteowl said:

Erm, you do realise he's never been elected to anything? 🤔 

He is a member of the House of Lords, which in our political system amounts to the same thing, 

 

He was actually a carerer diplomat who had a career of sorts after leaving the FCO. He was enobled for services rendered to all sorts of people and will be one of the few people in the cabinet who has actually experienced the real world not the fantasy world most members of the cabinet and parliament seem to live in.  

[L00b 441]

12 hours ago, whiteowl said:

Lord Frost, the brexit negotiator, has become a cabinet minister.

It's a good trolling effort from Johnson. Spaffed against the wall, like, but well.

 

Sadly, this appointment is likely not conducive of any improvement for UK plc. Frost is part of the Cummings/ERG political movement and, as such, less likely to progress matters with the EU constructively, than Gove was (whom Frost is effectively replacing). It's easy enough to observe this right now: the TCA, all "teething problems" included, is his baby after all.

 

He might have more 'real life' experience than Patel, Raab and others, but that counts for beans in the context of Brexit, which is an ideological development wherein economic consequences and collateral damage are deemed irrelevant.

 

 

[RJRB 684]

As we must accept that the withdrawal agreement went through on certain terms ,then I see it as necessary that Lord Frost,one of the main architects is put in to the position of accountability for the months and years of hassle to come.

He has already stated that the EU is being awkward and unreasonable in their interpretations of the agreement which doesn’t augur well for the many who are now facing the realities.

 

[El Cid 212]

3 hours ago, L00b said:

Sadly, this appointment is likely not conducive of any improvement for UK plc. Frost is part of the Cummings/ERG political movement and, as such, less likely to progress matters with the EU constructively, than Gove was (whom Frost is effectively replacing). It's easy enough to observe this right now: the TCA, all "teething problems" included, is his baby after all.

 

He might have more 'real life' experience than Patel, Raab and others, but that counts for beans in the context of Brexit, which is an ideological development wherein economic consequences and collateral damage are deemed irrelevant.

So if people support this, does that mean they would have supported Cummings in the Cabinet too?

Didnt we just leave the EU because we didnt like unelected bods telling us what to do?

[L00b 441]

40 minutes ago, El Cid said:

So if people support this, does that mean they would have supported Cummings in the Cabinet too?

That political notion of popular 'support', and who and/or what was actually supported by 'the People', is completely moot now: Brexit has been delivered, the entry into force of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement last 1st January concluded it fully, once and for all.

 

There is no going back, no easements to expect soon for fishermen/pig farmers/artists/etc, no rejoining within a good number of years. Don't expect the EFTA 4 to welcome the UK into the club, either. Not with the current team in no.10 and domestic politics.

 

40 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Didnt we just leave the EU because we didnt like unelected bods telling us what to do?

That was a populist trope, that was never grounded in reality. It was certainly catchy, though. 

 

The biting irony is, now this trope is grounded in reality, as the UK stands alone in the big wide international trading world, and must take others' rules if it wants to carry on any business overseas.

 

The situation is what it is, and that is that.

Edited February 18, 2021 by L00b

[Mister M 1,605]

7 hours ago, El Cid said:

So if people support this, does that mean they would have supported Cummings in the Cabinet too?

Didnt we just leave the EU because we didnt like unelected bods telling us what to do?

Yes but Lord Frost is British, so that makes all the difference 🤪