Frans2755 10 #2341 Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, West 77 said: Absolutely correct. The reason was to regain our sovereignty again and being free from European jurisdiction and not being part of a future European super state. The fact is the organisation the UK left was not the same economic community it joined in 1973. I agree you have your sovereignty and we have our sovereignty here in Belgium, we never lost it. You now have the opportunity to follow your own direction. For what we can see up to now it looks like a very costly freedom. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep 68 #2342 Posted January 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, Frans2755 said: I agree you have your sovereignty and we have our sovereignty here in Belgium, we never lost it. You now have the opportunity to follow your own direction. For what we can see up to now it looks like a very costly freedom. But not as costly as life in Belgium when the lack of UK money becomes reality, a hand in Belgiums own pocket will make a change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB 688 #2343 Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeffrey Shaw said: The reason for the UK leaving was never about being better off nor about immigration. I bet you couldn’t keep your face straight as you wrote this. Even Boris or Rees Mogg would be unable to trot that out.Farage might. I assume by better off you refer to monetary considerations,but as many have already observed there is no evidence of any benefits worth a light in any respect. With each day,more issues become evident,some of which were swept under the carpet by the negotiators and Government,and some which were overlooked during the senseless drive to “Get Brexit Done” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #2344 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, West 77 said: Absolutely correct. The reason was to regain our sovereignty again and being free from European jurisdiction and not being part of a future European super state. The fact is the organisation the UK left was not the same economic community it joined in 1973. I'm old enough to remember that big red bus and what was written on it. Are nurses getting paid with some of that regained £350m sovereignty yet, or is claps-at-8 still the going rate? Now, that's rather a lot of history-rewriting some of you lads are doing these days. But don't worry, enough people have functioning memories. A big lot of Scots first among them Edited January 25, 2021 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Frans2755 10 #2345 Posted January 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, retep said: But not as costly as life in Belgium when the lack of UK money becomes reality, a hand in Belgiums own pocket will make a change. If I read it correctly from your reply it is the UK that finances the EU. We already put our hand inour pocket to the tune of 4 billion euro's, which for a country 7 times smaller than the UK and a population of around 11 million we pay our dues willingly becauser we also reap the benefits. What you are saying is that you want to be at the front of the cue but dont want to pay for the benefits. The problem is solved you pay nothing now as you wished, but you are now at the back of the cue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #2346 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, West 77 said: The irony of your posting this clip, when Ms Thatcher was an architect of, and instrumental in bringing about, this very "organisation which the UK left" last year, is not wasted on me, rest assured Rewrite away, peeps, if it makes you sleep better at night. Because it'll make SFA difference to the new trading normal, and all consequences thereof, intended like not. Edited January 25, 2021 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #2347 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) There really was no need for you prove my point with a quote. But thanks all the same, I guess. As for this "United States of Europe" stuff...<sigh>...again? Really? You've still not learned a thing about what the EU is and how it works? You realise that (i) it is not a federation (ii) nor any other sort of 'superstate' (iii) and it could never become one, without every single member first agreeing to it? Then what are the chances of that last one happening? Please don't quote The Express or the Telegraph to me. That very same Telegraph which was blaming Brexit on Angela Merkel last week (Brexit is someone's fault now...and actually the Germans' fault, you see), and the Express which recently spun those British cheese manufacturers setting up a distribution hub in Benelux as a "clever ploy to help British businesses avoid crippling EU red tape". It's just beyond the reach of satire at this stage. Edited January 25, 2021 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep 68 #2348 Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, L00b said: There really was no need for you prove my point with a quote. But thanks all the same, I guess. As for this "United States of Europe" stuff...<sigh>...again? Really? You've still not learned a thing about what the EU is and how it works? You realise that (i) it is not a federation (ii) nor any other sort of 'superstate' (iii) and it could never become one, without every single member first agreeing to it? Then what are the chances of that last one happening. Don't bother quoting The Express or the Telegraph to me. That very same Telegraph which was blaming Brexit on Angela Merkel last week Looks like cracks are appearing, "EU rebellion: Italy, Spain and France join eurosceptic alliance to leave Brussels bloc" https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1388615/EU-news-frexit-italexit-Brexit-leave-Brussels-espexit-gallois-paragone-somos-espana Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Delayed 461 #2349 Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, retep said: Looks like cracks are appearing, "EU rebellion: Italy, Spain and France join eurosceptic alliance to leave Brussels bloc" https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1388615/EU-news-frexit-italexit-Brexit-leave-Brussels-espexit-gallois-paragone-somos-espana Nope, it's the Express so that means it's not true. EU good, UK bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b 441 #2350 Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, retep said: Looks like cracks are appearing, "EU rebellion: Italy, Spain and France join eurosceptic alliance to leave Brussels bloc" https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1388615/EU-news-frexit-italexit-Brexit-leave-Brussels-espexit-gallois-paragone-somos-espana any minute now any time it's happening yes really, right now and the German car manufacturers are finally coming to the rescue, too right now aaany time you'll see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat 11 #2351 Posted January 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, retep said: Looks like cracks are appearing, "EU rebellion: Italy, Spain and France join eurosceptic alliance to leave Brussels bloc" https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1388615/EU-news-frexit-italexit-Brexit-leave-Brussels-espexit-gallois-paragone-somos-espana Hahahahaha! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep 68 #2352 Posted January 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: Hahahahaha! Remember the last time when the EU laughed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...