Longcol   600 #2221 Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Baron99 said: Well next time you're over from France, pop in The Moor Market & find out.  No matter how many cheeses you have locally, the fact remains that Britain still producesfar more varieties than France.  And don't get me started on award winning wines, especially the sparkling whites, which have been trouncing their French counterparts for some years now. https://www.decanter.com/decanter-world-wine-awards/top-10-english-wines-445642/  Not proven re: cheese - did you read the links in my post? ps do you remember the cheese stall in Orchard Square about 30 years ago and what a revelation it was at the time.  Sparkling wines (and other types) - the top French producers don't enter most competitions - they don't need to - they can sell their bottles for silly money - we're talking hundreds of pounds a bottle. Edited January 17, 2021 by Longcol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Mister Gee   822 #2222 Posted January 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Baron99 said: Well next time you're over from France, pop in The Moor Market & find out.  No matter how many cheeses you have locally, the fact remains that Britain still producesfar more varieties than France.  And don't get me started on award winning wines, especially the sparkling whites, which have been trouncing their French counterparts for some years now. https://www.decanter.com/decanter-world-wine-awards/top-10-english-wines-445642/  Even French wine producers bought land in Kent years ago, recognising the growing English wine industry, the quality of the soil & the fact that as the climate is warming, the French wine industry faces problems.    Absolutely staggering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   600 #2223 Posted January 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mister Gee said: Absolutely staggering. It is staggering that someone claims the French wine industry faces problems due to warming when the output from the Med region in France (and Spain and Italy) is massive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Mister Gee   822 #2224 Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) The knots these people will tie themselves in to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions are incredible. Edited January 17, 2021 by Mister Gee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   790 #2225 Posted January 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Longcol said: It is staggering that someone claims the French wine industry faces problems due to warming when the output from the Med region in France (and Spain and Italy) is massive. Not a problem? Really? https://time.com/5777459/france-wine-climate-change/  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   790 #2226 Posted January 17, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Longcol said: Not proven re: cheese - did you read the links in my post? ps do you remember the cheese stall in Orchard Square about 30 years ago and what a revelation it was at the time.  Sparkling wines (and other types) - the top French producers don't enter most competitions - they don't need to - they can sell their bottles for silly money - we're talking hundreds of pounds a bottle. My bold.  Well that's an understandable action by French wine producers. Why enter some prestigious competition if you know you're going to lose?  30 YEARS AGO!!!!  Well that Tattiger wine, grown from grapes in Kent should soon be on sale?  Wonder how that's going to sold / marketed?  Can't claim it to be French wine or the produce of France? Can't even use the other kop out now 'Made in / Produce of the EU`?  No it'll have to be' Made in England'. Wonder how that will go down in Paris?  Grapes trod by English toes. Maybe that's what's giving our wines their award winning taste? Edited January 17, 2021 by Baron99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dardandec   32 #2227 Posted January 17, 2021 48 minutes ago, Mister Gee said: The knots these people will tie themselves in to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions are incredible. I can't believe the leavers are still trying to convince remainers that leaving the EU was a good idea. I don't post on the consequence threads anymore as such, but reading them does make me realise that they are desperately still trying to convince themselves.  Well at least the fish in UK waters will be happy. 41 minutes ago, Baron99 said: Not a problem? Really? https://time.com/5777459/france-wine-climate-change/  The only problem facing the French wine industry at the moment is US tariffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   790 #2228 Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Dardandec said: I can't believe the leavers are still trying to convince remainers that leaving the EU was a good idea. I don't post on the consequence threads anymore as such, but reading them does make me realise that they are desperately still trying to convince themselves.  Well at least the fish in UK waters will be happy. The only problem facing the French wine industry at the moment is US tariffs. I think you'll find its the other way round? For many Remainers, the reality of the UK leaving still hasn't sunk in 4 & a half years down the line & they stil believe there's a fight to be had rather than use that energy to make the country achieve potential, they'd rather keep moaning in the hope of their 'I told you so' moment.  Sometimes on this thread I find it incredible how some people can be so negative about their own country, that they'd take joy in seeing it fail, when ultimately if it fails, they will suffer as well.  It's like a perverse form of schadenfreude in that they'd take pleasure in inflicting doom, gloom & misfortune on themselves, in the hope of proving a point. Edited January 18, 2021 by Baron99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #2229 Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Baron99 said: I think you'll find its the other way round? For many Remainers, the reality of the UK leaving still hasn't sunk in 4 & a half years down the line & they stil believe there's a fight to be had rather than use that energy to make the country achieve potential, they'd rather keep moaning in the hope of their 'I told you so' moment.  Sometimes on this thread I find it incredible how some people can be so negative about their own country, that they'd take joy in seeing it fail, when ultimately if it fails, they will suffer as well.  It's like a perverse form of schadenfreude, that they take pleasure in inflicting doom & gloom on themselves. We could pretend its a success. Will that help?  We arent reporting things that are false, we are now reporting on direct consequences - as per the thread title- as they come in. At the moment its mainly fishing. In slightly less worse news, dpd will soon be restarting road transport back up, and Gibraltar has effectively entered the schengen agreement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #2230 Posted January 18, 2021 7 hours ago, tinfoilhat said: We could pretend its a success. Will that help?  We arent reporting things that are false, we are now reporting on direct consequences - as per the thread title- as they come in. At the moment its mainly fishing. In slightly less worse news, dpd will soon be restarting road transport back up, and Gibraltar has effectively entered the schengen agreement. Speaking of fishes and Crown depencies...the Falklands want a word, since it found out that Johnson's deal with the EU does not extend to UK Overseas Territories: 90% of its catch goes (went) to the EU and is now tariffed between 6% and 18% (Falklands meat that also goes (went) to the EU is now tariffed at 42%), besides the import-export red tape.  Hopefully they can 'do a Gibraltar' and quickly join Mercosur, with which the EU is close to signing a deal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
nightrider   13 #2231 Posted January 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Baron99 said: And remember, when it comes to cheese, the UK produces far more varieties than France. There's bound to be a variety of British cheese that could replace your favourite French variety?  There's a stall in The Moor Market, that sells, I'd say, at least 30 varieties of British cheese. Far more than you'd find in Sainsbury's supermarket on the other side of The Moor. Yes, but can they scale up production to replace all the French/Swiss/Spanish swiss cheese we buy?  I am doubtful because many suppliers are small scale farms in the UK. 9 hours ago, Baron99 said: I think you'll find its the other way round? For many Remainers, the reality of the UK leaving still hasn't sunk in 4 & a half years down the line & they stil believe there's a fight to be had rather than use that energy to make the country achieve potential, they'd rather keep moaning in the hope of their 'I told you so' moment.  Sometimes on this thread I find it incredible how some people can be so negative about their own country, that they'd take joy in seeing it fail, when ultimately if it fails, they will suffer as well.  I Nope, I won't suffer. I have a well paid job not dependent on being in the EU. Can't say the same for all those fishermen, farmers and small business owners who voted leave and are now unable to export. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bargepole23   337 #2232 Posted January 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Baron99 said: I think you'll find its the other way round? For many Remainers, the reality of the UK leaving still hasn't sunk in 4 & a half years down the line & they stil believe there's a fight to be had rather than use that energy to make the country achieve potential, they'd rather keep moaning in the hope of their 'I told you so' moment.  Sometimes on this thread I find it incredible how some people can be so negative about their own country, that they'd take joy in seeing it fail, when ultimately if it fails, they will suffer as well.  It's like a perverse form of schadenfreude in that they'd take pleasure in inflicting doom, gloom & misfortune on themselves, in the hope of proving a point. Its sunk in. When the question is asked regarding tangible and intangible benefits, we get answers like yours about "achieving potential". What does that mean in for example, fishing, or farming, or car manufacturer, or financial services? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...