Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[the_bloke 17]

On 09/01/2021 at 09:44, ads36 said:

consequence of leaving The EU :

 

The UK government will allow the use of (a) neonicotinoid pesticide - which is banned in the EU.

 

in short, this is terrible news.

From this link:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/09/pesticide-believed-kill-bees-authorised-use-england-eu-farmers

 

It clearly states that 'The UK, however, has now joined EU countries including Belgium, Denmark and Spain in signing emergency authorisations for its use, according to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra).'

 

How can it be banned in the EU if Belgium, Denmark and Spain are also wanting to use it in an emergency situation? Let's look into it further:

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2020/07/08/bees-neonicotinoids-bayer-syngenta-eu-ban-loophole/

 

'However, an Unearthed investigation has found that in the two years since the ban was agreed, EU countries have issued at least 67 different “emergency authorisations” for outdoor use of these chemicals. 

In many cases these authorisations were granted repeatedly, or without any apparent evidence of an unusual or ‘emergency’ situation as justification. '

 

A ban in no sense of the word.

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3 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

......."Empty" according to the Daily Mail.  A quick view of the comment section seems to clearly challenge them on that point.

 

From my own personal experience at both Sainsbury's and ASDA I can't say I've noticed any mass empty shelves.  In fact compared to the empty shelves suffered during the first covid lockdown they were far worse and could hardly be blamed on vote leave back then.

 

An Online Supermarket has recently conceded that they had supply issues due to a lack of staff in their warehouse and covid. Add on the fact that there would have been a selection of morons doing panic buying a soon as Boris announced the latest restrictions and you will forgive me for not taking the the dramatics of the Daily Mail article at face value

Oooh, we're all giving it the biggun NOW that the Daily Mail is wrong. Bit late for that!

3 hours ago, L00b said:

Well, clearly that was the wrong Brexit strategy for Labour for 4 years, I'm not sure what makes him think it'll work this time.

Regrettably, it's sounding like you should get used to seeing those, at least for a while longer: reports on the ground are that there is no cross-Channel traffic - period. Chunnel trains are running empty, traffic cams showing tumbleweeds on M20 both ways.

 

And that is a *far* worse problem, than the customs-blocking mongo-queues that were forecast. EU27 hauliers are unwilling to cart stuff to the UK, and UK importers are unwilling to pay the premium required to unlock that situation.

 

Sovereignty might be a suitable replacement for most ingredients of most recipes, hopefully. I mean, when Ocado emails its customers directly and en masse to warn about the non-availability of certain products, you just know it's not going to be about 1 or 2 line items for a few days.

Labour didnt have a brexit policy for 4 years and before the referendum.  Magic grandpa was never a fan of the EU. His stance on brexit made the hokey cokey look like musical statues.  Labour are as burnt as scolded with brexit really. Lib Dems were very pro remainer and got hammered at the last election.

[L00b 441]

35 minutes ago, RiffRaff said:

OK.

I give in.

What the hell does "mongo-queue" mean?

Mongo as in humongous. Very long queues.

[Delbow 686]

17 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

From this link:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/09/pesticide-believed-kill-bees-authorised-use-england-eu-farmers

 

It clearly states that 'The UK, however, has now joined EU countries including Belgium, Denmark and Spain in signing emergency authorisations for its use, according to the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra).'

 

How can it be banned in the EU if Belgium, Denmark and Spain are also wanting to use it in an emergency situation? Let's look into it further:

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2020/07/08/bees-neonicotinoids-bayer-syngenta-eu-ban-loophole/

 

'However, an Unearthed investigation has found that in the two years since the ban was agreed, EU countries have issued at least 67 different “emergency authorisations” for outdoor use of these chemicals. 

In many cases these authorisations were granted repeatedly, or without any apparent evidence of an unusual or ‘emergency’ situation as justification. '

 

A ban in no sense of the word.

While reading about this, I found that British Sugar plc is the only wholesale buyer of sugar beet produced in the UK. They have a complete monopoly and they alone control the price of wholesale beet. It seems that if they demand neonics are used, then they will be used. Why has this not been prevented by the Monopolies and Mergers people?

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1 minute ago, Delbow said:

While reading about this, I found that British Sugar plc is the only wholesale buyer of sugar beet produced in the UK. They have a complete monopoly and they alone control the price of wholesale beet. It seems that if they demand neonics are used, then they will be used. Why has this not been prevented by the Monopolies and Mergers people?

You're free to buy tate and lyle which I understand uses sugar cane, complete with its own moral and environmental issues!

[Delbow 686]

2 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

You're free to buy tate and lyle which I understand uses sugar cane, complete with its own moral and environmental issues!

It's another good reason to cut down on the sugar intake! But Tate and Lyle are presumably operating in a global market so can't dictate the price - it's crazy that British Sugar are in that position.

Edited January 11, 2021 by Delbow

[the_bloke 17]

4 minutes ago, Delbow said:

While reading about this, I found that British Sugar plc is the only wholesale buyer of sugar beet produced in the UK. They have a complete monopoly and they alone control the price of wholesale beet. It seems that if they demand neonics are used, then they will be used. Why has this not been prevented by the Monopolies and Mergers people?

British Sugar plc is what is left of the previously nationalised sugar industry in the UK. It's the British Telecom of sugar basically.

[Delbow 686]

Just now, the_bloke said:

British Sugar plc is what is left of the previously nationalised sugar industry in the UK. It's the British Telecom of sugar basically.

So whereas the benefits of their position used to be socialised, they're now privatised. Must be great being one of their buyers:

 

10 am - arrive at work

11 am - name price per tonne

11.05 am - go home

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12 minutes ago, Delbow said:

It's another good reason to cut down on the sugar intake! But Tate and Lyle are presumably operating in a global market so can't dictate the price - it's crazy that British Sugar are in that position.

It's certainly global!

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jul/09/tate-lyle-sugar-child-labour-accusation

[sadbrewer 20]

12 minutes ago, Delbow said:

While reading about this, I found that British Sugar plc is the only wholesale buyer of sugar beet produced in the UK. They have a complete monopoly and they alone control the price of wholesale beet. It seems that if they demand neonics are used, then they will be used. Why has this not been prevented by the Monopolies and Mergers people?

The beet sugar situation is a farce, France is the largest producer of SB, and traditionally the price has been kept high....this has been whittled away over recent years so is not as attractive as a crop as it once once.

   Environmentally it is one of the worst crops there is for soil damage, It would be better for us to shut beet down and shift to less damaging crops.

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1 minute ago, sadbrewer said:

The beet sugar situation is a farce, France is the largest producer of SB, and traditionally the price has been kept high....this has been whittled away over recent years so is not as attractive as a crop as it once once.

   Environmentally it is one of the worst crops there is for soil damage, It would be better for us to shut beet down and shift to less damaging crops.

But according to my packet of sugar, said fields are well used by pink footed geese in winter for grazing on. Their numbers are up, which given the damage modern farming does to birdlife this is a rare positive.

[nightrider 13]

4 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

......."Empty" according to the Daily Mail.  A quick view of the comment section seems to clearly challenge them on that point.

 

From my own personal experience at both Sainsbury's and ASDA I can't say I've noticed any mass empty shelves.  In fact compared to the empty shelves suffered during the first covid lockdown they were far worse and could hardly be blamed on vote leave back then.

 

An Online Supermarket has recently conceded that they had supply issues due to a lack of staff in their warehouse and covid. Add on the fact that there would have been a selection of morons doing panic buying a soon as Boris announced the latest restrictions and you will forgive me for not taking the the dramatics of the Daily Mail article at face value

I haven't seen any either (except in March...). I wouldn't believe every picture posted on twitter (which is where these stories originate).