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[Mister M 1,599]

51 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Then Sir Roger Gale is fool who doesn't deserve to be a MP.  In any negotiations there are two parties involved.  It's the duty of Boris Johnson to walk away from a trade deal that he believes is a bad deal that doesn't respect British sovereignty. Walking away from any current deal on offer doesn't mean there will never be a future trade deal between the UK and EU.  As individuals we walk away from deals that are not to are liking everyday and find better deals at a later date.

Wow, you know everything there is to know about trade negotiations and international diplomacy.  If only they had you on the negotiating team, I feel the UK would be in a much stronger position.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by Mister M

[whiteowl 54]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

David Cameron did the right thing because as a Remainer he knew he couldn't have any credibility to negotiate an exit deal from the EU. David Cameron lost all credibility after months of negotiating with the EU for improved terms and trying to reform the EU he got next to zero concessions and tried to present his efforts as a success to the electorate before the EU referendum.  David Cameron did the wrong thing by supporting remaining in the EU after he failed to get the EU to reform. 

That's just blatently wrong. The concessions he got from the EU have been discussed on here before a few times.

 

Anyway, here's the BBC link, again.... 🙄

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

 

2 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Third and final time - unless I'm on ignore then fair enough - what are you doing to ensure a successful no deal for the country?

You're not seriously expecting an answer are you? I'm still waiting to hear what the brexiteers were doing to help with the harvest months ago.

[L00b 441]

3 hours ago, nightrider said:

Doesn't matter it seems. Barnier has just announced they will make a provisional deal to be put into use on Jan 1 and let MEP's scrutinise it later on.

Aye, that just might work, if the EU27 stop growing harder for no deal.

 

Just got to give Johnson his "big win" on fishing (0,05% of UK GDP, was it?) to placate the headbangers long enough to ram the deal through Parliament. If that's the plan, Macron should be dropping the bad cop act and most of the British media should be crowing about the EU's surrender before the week is out.

 

Not sure how that's going to help Wales, Yorkshire, Tyne & Wear and -generally-'everywhere north of the Watford gap' much, in the short- to longer-term...but well, better than no deal, at any rate.

[tinfoilhat 11]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

It's not up to me to judge whether it is a bad deal because that responsibility goes to the Prime Minister and his team.  I support whatever decision the Government make.  

 

Having the ability to walk away from any deal makes the chances of getting a better deal more likely. The Withdrawal Agreement was a bad deal because Parliament prevented both Theresa May and Boris Johnson walking away from a bad deal.  Regarding the trade negotiations Parliament can't prevent Boris Johnson opting for WTO terms rather than a bad trade deal with the EU.  Having the freedom of walking away from any deal can influence the other party involved to make more concessions to make even a good deal better.

 

I'm happy and support  the current UK negotiating team because they know more about trade negotiations and international diplomacy than anyone who contributes on this forum.

 

The decision to leave the EU has been made and implemented. If the majority who had voted in the EU referendum had wanted to keep the existing arrangements they would have voted to remain in the EU.  Saying Brexit is BAD is just your own obsessive blurred bias opinion.

 

To quote Dennis Skinner  '' Is that it?"

 

David Cameron was ridiculed for the so called concessions he got from the EU which is one of the reasons Leave WON  the EU referendum vote.

So you don't know what we're turning down!

[Pettytom 1]

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

Very amusing. So in your world it's okay to walk away from buying a fridge but it's not okay for the Prime Minister of your country to walk away from a long term bad trade deal that doesn't respect the regained sovereignty that was won after the biggest democrat vote in British history.  Theresa May was the failure because she didn't want to walk away from a bad deal after for months saying no deal is better than a bad deal. 

The last time Boris johnson tried to walk away from a fridge, he ended up inside it.

 

Hiding.

[tinfoilhat 11]

34 minutes ago, L00b said:

Aye, that just might work, if the EU27 stop growing harder for no deal.

 

Just got to give Johnson his "big win" on fishing (0,05% of UK GDP, was it?) to placate the headbangers long enough to ram the deal through Parliament. If that's the plan, Macron should be dropping the bad cop act and most of the British media should be crowing about the EU's surrender before the week is out.

 

Not sure how that's going to help Wales, Yorkshire, Tyne & Wear and -generally-'everywhere north of the Watford gap' much, in the short- to longer-term...but well, better than no deal, at any rate.

That's interesting that the MEPs get to scrutinise their end of the deal. According to a downing street spokesman, theres no plans for our MPs to look at our end of the deal.

[nightrider 13]

47 minutes ago, L00b said:

Aye, that just might work, if the EU27 stop growing harder for no deal.

 

Just got to give Johnson his "big win" on fishing (0,05% of UK GDP, was it?) to placate the headbangers long enough to ram the deal through Parliament. If that's the plan, Macron should be dropping the bad cop act and most of the British media should be crowing about the EU's surrender before the week is out.

 

Not sure how that's going to help Wales, Yorkshire, Tyne & Wear and -generally-'everywhere north of the Watford gap' much, in the short- to longer-term...but well, better than no deal, at any rate.

I think thats the issue - any deal is better than no deal. Perhaps why Boris seems to have caved on following equivalence. How long until he gives them fishing too?

[L00b 441]

5 hours ago, nightrider said:

I think thats the issue - any deal is better than no deal. Perhaps why Boris seems to have caved on following equivalence. How long until he gives them fishing too?

The EU27 will let the UK have fishing, if that secures the deal with LPF and an (edit: unilateral) operational mechanism to enforce it.

 

But the UK really should not bank on the EU27 letting it string them along until 23:59 on 31 December: the EU Parliament will absolutely not let itself be railroaded about it, like Parliament was, and "no deal is better than a bad deal" has been getting a lot of traction fast on this side of the Channel lately (the irony!)

 

Edit 2: sounds like it's too late, 4 biggest MEP groups (EPP, S&D, Renew and Greens) have reportedly agreed no ratification to take place in 2020. That means either short period of no deal, or technical prolongation of transition. At best.

 

Anyone who follows ciaran the euro courier (@donnyc1975) on Twitter will already know what's what as regards logistics. It's particularly grim reading tonight. It's positively raining anecdotal reports of no further orders getting taken for UK delivery, and no further truck slots for love or a ton of money.

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by L00b

[andyofborg 11]

15 hours ago, L00b said:

 

 

Not sure how that's going to help Wales, Yorkshire, Tyne & Wear and -generally-'everywhere north of the Watford gap' much, in the short- to longer-term...but well, better than no deal, at any rate.

No government for the last 40 years has cared a great deal about these regions, I doubt they will start now,

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, andyofborg said:

No government for the last 40 years has cared a great deal about these regions, I doubt they will start now,

Cornwall will be getting 5% of the amount that it was getting from the EU, according to a Welsh councillor quoted in yesterday's The New European.

 

It asked £700m over 10 years to make up for the EU Objective One shortfall (£765m since 1999). It will be getting £1.8m in the first year, out of the national £220m Growth Deal.

 

Well.

Edited December 15, 2020 by L00b

[whiteowl 54]

17 hours ago, West 77 said:

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To quote Dennis Skinner  '' Is that it?"

 

David Cameron was ridiculed for the so called concessions he got from the EU which is one of the reasons Leave WON  the EU referendum vote.

I appreciate that for people like you anything short of the EU swearing fealty to a British Empire 2 would be classed as not enough.

 

However, I was replying to your fake news assertion that he got next to zero concessions. He got pretty much everything he asked for.

[nightrider 13]

2 hours ago, L00b said:

Cornwall will be getting 5% of the amount that it was getting from the EU, according to a Welsh councillor quoted in yesterday's The New European.

 

It asked £700m over 10 years to make up for the EU Objective One shortfall (£765m since 1999). It will be getting £1.8m in the first year, out of the national £220m Growth Deal.

 

Well.

They can't say they were not warned during the referendum. Happy to screw everyone else as long as they got given all the money. So no sympathy now they are screwed along with the rest of us.