Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[Pettytom 1]

3 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

To be honest I don’t think anyone will come up smelling of roses.

You are correct about that. 
 

But please never forget that the EU didn’t make any of this happen. That is squarely down to the U.K. government 

[Delbow 704]

1 minute ago, tinfoilhat said:

6k. Half of our fishermen are foreigners. And the few boats that sail from grimsby are mostly owned by a Dutch company.

 

Interesting that we've found the sailors for the royal navy patrol boats, as we are many thousand short already and very recently the government decided to put its pen through royal navy reservists. 

 

Theres going to be some very unhappy people in January.

Useful to know, thanks. I wonder whether the fisheries thing was always just meant to tap into nostalgic symbolism for Britain's naval history, as a way of getting people to vote for their own betrayal.

[Mister Gee 823]

4 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

You are correct about that. 
 

But please never forget that the EU didn’t make any of this happen. That is squarely down to the U.K. government 

The Conservative Party who called an unnecessary referendum and then lied and lied and lied.

[tinfoilhat 11]

3 minutes ago, Delbow said:

Useful to know, thanks. I wonder whether the fisheries thing was always just meant to tap into nostalgic symbolism for Britain's naval history, as a way of getting people to vote for their own betrayal.

Absolutely - and then they'll find someone else to blame when it all goes wrong, and it will go wrong. 

 

I was reading today how the whole joining the eec in the 70s was due to food security. There was a real chance of the UK having to ration sugar and bread, I found a picture of Thatcher of all people showing the inside of a food cupboard to prove she wasn't stockpiling. I wonder if boris will have to prove he's not any olive oil hidden away somewhere.

[hobinfoot 25]

9 minutes ago, Delbow said:

What I don't get is, the Tories deliberately got rid of around 150,00 British steel Jobs in the 1980s. According to the Commons Library, there are only 12,000 people employed in fishing in the UK, yet the Tories seem prepared to sacrifice the rest of the economy for them. What is so special about them? If 150,000 steelworkers (plus the miners) could be axed and just told to retrain, why not 12,000 fishers?

It’s not just about fishing though there are others. Fishing is a major problem the French have stated that it will protect its fishing industry at all cost including vetoing any deal. So is it alright for the French but not us to take a similar stance ?

[Delbow 704]

27 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Most steelworker jobs were lost in the 1970's.  We can blame both the Labour Party and the Conservative Party for a lack of investment in an industry which lost jobs because of outdated plants which couldn't compete in the Global market.  Fisherman have had to retrain and find alternative jobs due to the UK fishing being decimated during the time the UK has been in the EU. The idea is to increase future employment in fishing which can be done when the UK has full control of  who can fish where in our own sovereign waters. Brexit will give former strong traditional  fishing communities the opportunity to rise from the ashes after nearly fifty years of hurt as a consequence of the EU.

It was democracy that decided the UK should leave the EU and not any government.

The problem is, UK trawlers (as well as trawlers from all other countries) are wrecking our ecosystems. They are the last people the rest of us should have to be propping up. Let's get them doing something useful and productive, rather than destroying nature.

[sadbrewer 20]

19 hours ago, El Cid said:

We have roughly doubled our exports to the EU over the past 20 years and they have roughly doubled their exports to the UK.

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports-from-european-union

 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/exports-to-european-union?fbclid=IwAR3P3ERGOrCOTx2fE9bR005u9BJB6ro2kw1Ew5KhCHTF50ib4dNFr8K8Kh8

That's not correct, certainly in trade volume terms...in 2000 UK exported 53% of its goods and services to the EU...it fell steadily and in 2016 accounted for just over 42%, although tbf it has gone up slightly to 44% in the last full trading year.

Those figures are from the Office of National Statistics and the House of Commons Library.

[altus 540]

53 minutes ago, West 77 said:

You make a fair point regarding the massive fishing vessels wrecking ecosystems. Hopefully we will see more smaller British trawlers catching and landing fish at traditional British harbours. There should be opportunities again for single boat owners to make a a good honest living from fishing in British sovereign waters like they did in the good old days before the UK joined the EEC.

The UK government have said they aren't planning to change the way quotas are allocated. So any additional allocation for UK fishing will go to the highest bidder - i.e. the large, frequently foreign owned, companies not the small UK owned boats owners.

[Mister Gee 823]

7 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Brexit is a long term project in which governments will change. Brexit is an opportunity for more fish to be caught by British owned vessels big and small.  At the moment the British fleet is not big enough to benefit from the new opportunities Brexit will give to British fishermen.  Brexit will mean that future British Governments and not the EU will allocate quotas and changes will have to happen in order for British fishermen and the British fishing industry to benefit from Brexit. The  amount of success and opportunities Brexit will bring depends on future government policies and future politicians. The electorate will say who those future governments and politicians are.

Who are they going to flog it to though? I’m not sure ten bob lobsters, a sack of langoustines and Hake for a quid will do it for your average punter.

[Delbow 704]

Give any group of fishermen anywhere in the world control over their own quotas and they will fish themselves and everyone out of a livelihood in quick time. Maybe West 77 means that future governments will have to stand up to this protected interest group after the current lot have messed everything up. 

[melthebell 863]

56 minutes ago, Mister Gee said:

Who are they going to flog it to though? I’m not sure ten bob lobsters, a sack of langoustines and Hake for a quid will do it for your average punter.

can you fish for turnips?

[El Cid 220]

4 hours ago, West 77 said:

Brexit will give former strong traditional  fishing communities the opportunity to rise from the ashes after nearly fifty years of hurt as a consequence of the EU.

It was democracy that decided the UK should leave the EU and not any government.

They will need to buy a rather large trawler, then when they have caught the fish, might be easier to take the catch to EU processing plants.

We could always rebuild UK processing plants, but it will take some time. In the meantime, fish prices will increase, there may even be a shortage.

4 hours ago, Delbow said:

The problem is, UK trawlers (as well as trawlers from all other countries) are wrecking our ecosystems. They are the last people the rest of us should have to be propping up. Let's get them doing something useful and productive, rather than destroying nature.

There are fewer fish in oceans around the world, fewer birds in the sky and fewer flys flying in the air. We are all doomed