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[Pettytom 1]

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

I'm sure I've seen some Brexiteers say they are looking forward to trading under WTO rules.

 

From the Telegraph link;

 

"If there is no deal, the UK will trade with the bloc on World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules from January 1, meaning all imports and exports would be subject to border checks, quotas and tariffs.

Medicines are not subject to tariffs under WTO rules, but agricultural and manufactured goods such as cars would become more expensive. The price of cars could increase by 10 per cent while some food products such as cheese and beef could see a 50 per cent price hike, according to calculations by the British Retail Consortium (BRC).

Approximately 30 per cent of the food in British supermarkets is imported from the EU, meaning consumers can expect to see a dramatic increase in their weekly food bill if a deal is not agreed upon.serious implications for our farmers.

 

You missed the detail of the serious implications for our farmers:

 

“The National Farmers Union (NFU) has warned that a no-deal Brexit would be "catastrophic" for British agriculture, costing the sector £1.36bn in extra levies.”

 

 

This is not going to end well. Anyone who is looking forward to it needs their head examined.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Pettytom

[Ridgewalk 96]

Will there be any benefits from leaving the EU ? Someone must have an answer ? 

[Baron99 778]

Strange isn't it?  Throughout the past few months, whenever & from wherever you get your news reports from, be it Left / Right wing papers or even the BBC, it's the case that the UK is trying to 'negotiate' a deal with the EU but in contrast, the EU are always 'demanding' that they want terms, such as 'demanding' access to our fishing grounds. 

 

We all know what will happen.  There will be no deal by 31/12/20 but come January 2021, politicians, (driven by big businesses in the main EU countries, such as Germany & France), will be forced to sit down & negotiate like adults. 

 

It's not only the UK which will lose out with a no deal, more locally than those countries on the European continent, the Irish economy will suffer an enormous economic blow with tariffs imposed on their meat products as the UK is their closest market & a major importer.  The Irish will be panicking.  We have a trading surplus with them but any tariffs imposed will hit the £24 billion in goods they sell to us. 

 

There again, the likes of the intransigent Macron wouldn't give two hoots for the Irish economy.  So much for European brotherhood. 

Edited December 11, 2020 by Baron99

[taxman 12]

15 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

Will there be any benefits from leaving the EU ? Someone must have an answer ? 

Blue passports made in France.

[L00b 441]

54 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

Will there be any benefits from leaving the EU ? Someone must have an answer ? 

For europeans (27), certainly.

 

Mostly in terms of ridding european politics from interference and general dumbing-down by  Farage, Widdecombe and the rest of the Kipper MEPs ; and ridding EU decision-making from British exceptionalism.

 

The extra trading and taxable value from relocated businesses is nice too, though not exactly a game-changer for the recipient countries. Except maybe for Ireland, due to scale (Dublin got the lion's share of business brexoded out of the City).

 

I don't think these balance the loss of UK contributions outright, short-term, but then these contributions weren't that much overall (i.e. when offset against EU spend-back in UK regions and other UK cost centers, e.g. EMA) and that loss is already long factored and costed into the EU budget for 2020-2027.

 

A bit of light was recently cast about Johnson and VdL's meeting:

 

 

Gossip, but wholly unsurprising if even half of it is true.

 

Lambs to the slaughter, led by a donkey 

Edited December 11, 2020 by L00b

[retep 68]

56 minutes ago, L00b said:

For europeans (27), certainly.

 

Mostly in terms of ridding european politics from interference and general dumbing-down by  Farage, Widdecombe and the rest of the Kipper MEPs ; and ridding EU decision-making from British exceptionalism.

 

The extra trading and taxable value from relocated businesses is nice too, though not exactly a game-changer for the recipient countries. Except maybe for Ireland, due to scale (Dublin got the lion's share of business brexoded out of the City).

 

I don't think these balance the loss of UK contributions outright, short-term, but then these contributions weren't that much overall (i.e. when offset against EU spend-back in UK regions and other UK cost centers, e.g. EMA) and that loss is already long factored and costed into the EU budget for 2020-2027.

 

A bit of light was recently cast about Johnson and VdL's meeting:

 

 

Gossip, but wholly unsurprising if even half of it is true.

 

Lambs to the slaughter, led by a donkey 

We'll see how much these contributions are missed when some of the eu countries have to contribute more.

[Anna B 1,401]

33 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Strange isn't it?  Throughout the past few months, whenever & from wherever you get your news reports from, be it Left / Right wing papers or even the BBC, it's the case that the UK is trying to 'negotiate' a deal with the EU but in contrast, the EU are always 'demanding' that they want terms, such as 'demanding' access to our fishing grounds. 

 

We all know what will happen.  There will be no deal by 31/12/20 but come January 2021, politicians, (driven by big businesses in the main EU countries, such as Germany & France), will be forced to sit down & negotiate like adults. 

 

It's not only the UK which will lose out with a no deal, more locally than those countries on the European continent, the Irish economy will suffer an enormous economic blow with tariffs imposed on their meat products as the UK is their closest market & a major importer.  The Irish will be panicking.  We have a trading surplus with them but any tariffs imposed will hit the £24 billion in goods they sell to us. 

 

There again, the likes of the intransigent Macron wouldn't give two hoots for the Irish economy.  So much for European brotherhood. 

I so wish people had listened to jeremy Corbyn, voted Labour, and gained the opportunity to vote again:

a) on the actual deal negotiated,

b) leave without a deal,

c) or remain in the EU.

Instead they fell for Boris' 'Get Brexit Done' rhetoric and his so called 'oven ready deal' which of course turned out to be nothing of the sort.

 

The original referendum was a simple in/out affair, with very little emphasis on 'a deal' being necessary at all, or even desirable, in which case we should have left the EU straight away. The problem has always been the closeness of the result, almost 50/50, which, IMO isn't decisive enough for such an important issue, and was also very confused over party affilliations. I think a vote now, would be far more decisive.

 

As for the deal Boris is trying to negotiate, well I understand we already had a good deal, so trying to negotiate a new one it would have to be pretty spectacular, or give us many of the freedoms to trade outside the EU to be worth 5 years of wrangling.

More likely is we will leave with no deal, having totally wasted the time which should have been spent planning the  necessary measures to ensure a smooth transition to WTO standards. 

 

Once again Boris has created chaos.

 

 

[alchresearch 214]

27 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I so wish people had listened to jeremy Corbyn

Yeah:

 

 

[L00b 441]

53 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I so wish people had listened to jeremy Corbyn, voted Labour, and gained the opportunity to vote again:

a) on the actual deal negotiated,

b) leave without a deal,

c) or remain in the EU.

Instead they fell for Boris' 'Get Brexit Done' rhetoric and his so called 'oven ready deal' which of course turned out to be nothing of the sort.

 

The original referendum was a simple in/out affair, with very little emphasis on 'a deal' being necessary at all, or even desirable, in which case we should have left the EU straight away. The problem has always been the closeness of the result, almost 50/50, which, IMO isn't decisive enough for such an important issue, and was also very confused over party affilliations. I think a vote now, would be far more decisive.

 

As for the deal Boris is trying to negotiate, well I understand we already had a good deal, so trying to negotiate a new one it would have to be pretty spectacular, or give us many of the freedoms to trade outside the EU to be worth 5 years of wrangling.

More likely is we will leave with no deal, having totally wasted the time which should have been spent planning the  necessary measures to ensure a smooth transition to WTO standards. 

 

Once again Boris has created chaos.

 

 

This post is so full of confusion, remnants of Vote Leave lies and lack of knowledge, I genuinely don't know where to start with it.

 

Perhaps by highlighting in bold, the (actual) root cause of the whole bin fire of the past 4+ years.

 

Experts tried to explain before the referendum, and ever since, why the bin fire was a certainty in case of Brexit (in whichever form - this lack of definition pre-referendum being part of the root cause), because there never was, and never could be, anything simple about the UK leaving the EU. Whether overnight, or weeks or months or years later.

 

But you had enough of experts then, and you still have enough of experts now.

 

So. This is the result of dismissing experts, and continuing instead to favour the charlatans telling you to ignore these experts.

 

Corbyn and his pandering/husbanding of Lexiters for years, is just as much of a cause of the bin fire. Starmer, continuing his strategy of letting the Tories own all of Brexit, is no better. So when you start looking up recipes for grass cuttings, remember that Labour consistently voted for Brexit in the House of Commons, and did nothing to halt it before the end. Of course, that doesn't absolve the Tories from causing it in the first place, nor from eventually making it the worst that it could be.

Edited December 11, 2020 by L00b

[nightrider 13]

If you want a laugh go and read the views on Sheffield Online about no deal!

 

Genuine comments such as people can just live off root vegetables if imports are too expensive or "its all maybe, could, possible - project fear again". etc Oh and lets not forget some are saying german car makers will force the EU to give us what they want!

[L00b 441]

The current furore about Merkel and Macron rejecting Johnson's call requests is quite funny, too.

 

[Mister M 1,608]

7 hours ago, retep said:

We'll see how much these contributions are missed when some of the eu countries have to contribute more.

It's going to hurt them, more than it's going to hurt us?

I think we've all grown rather wise to Brexiteer homilies that have been uttered over the last 5 years.