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[sadbrewer 20]

1 hour ago, ads36 said:

apologies if this has already been oovered...

 

Toyota have announced that they've decided not to make Electric cars in Britain - because of you-know-what.

 

this is particularly bad for Burnaston, Derbyshire, have a guess which way they voted in 2016...

 

 

That's not quite correct, Toyota haven't decided where or where not  to make pure electric vehicles yet, they have though said Burnaston is more likely to be making hybrid vehicles after 2027....so perhaps not as particularly bad as you suggest.

Edited December 9, 2020 by sadbrewer

[Anna B 1,401]

5 hours ago, West 77 said:

It was not a lie because the oven ready deal was the Withdrawal Agreement. The UK left the EU on 31st January via the Withdrawal Agreement.  The UK and EU are now negotiating a future trade agreement. The negotiations for a new trade agreement could only start after the UK officially left the EU on 31st January. 

 

You should educate yourself rather than unfairly band the world  lie about.

Oh please.... You know as well as I do, that after several failed attempts to get 'a deal' through, people would assume that that is what was meant by 'an oven ready deal.'. He never made any attempt to explain the difference, or call it by a different name, or in any way correct people whose assumptions were that it was the same sort of deal that had been so problematical forTheresa May.

 

He also refused interviews with half decent, well informed political interviewers who would have been able to interrogate him about it. The Andrew Neil interview (or lack of it) springs ro mind. The first time in history a standing party leader has refused to submit to his forensic questioning. You don't need to be 'educated' as you so patronisingly put it, to see it for exactly what it was. 

 

Boris is a known liar who will say anything,  when he doesn't have a fridge handy to hide in, to avoid troublesome questions. 

 

Say what you like, no question this was a calculated, premeditated attempt to mislead the public. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Anna B

[Longcol 598]

3 minutes ago, West 77 said:

You continue to show your ignorance. Boris couldn't claim a deal was oven ready before it was possible to start negotiations with the other party.  The Withdrawal Agreement is not the same as a future Trade Agreement with the EU.  Think of it as two parts. Part one was the Withdrawal Agreement which was oven ready and part two is a future Trade Agreement with the EU which was impossible to be oven ready before it was possible to start negotiations.The electorate was not misled.

Really?

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/boris-johnson-oven-ready-brexit-deal-6631776

 

"Speaking at a Nissan factory in the North East of England alongside former Labour MP Gisela Stuart, he said: "It's absolutely vital we protect supply chains, we protect Nissan motors, and we make sure people continue to invest in our country. And they will.

"What I think businesses large and small want to see is certainty about the arrangements we can deliver.

"And the thing about the deal we've got ready-to-go is it does protect the supply chains, it keeps them intact, it makes sure we have complete equivalence when it comes to our standards, our industrial requirements and all the rest of it.

"So as we come out, it's all protected."

[Pettytom 1]

7 minutes ago, West 77 said:

You continue to show your ignorance. Boris couldn't claim a deal was oven ready before it was possible to start negotiations with the other party.  The Withdrawal Agreement is not the same as a future Trade Agreement with the EU.  Think of it as two parts. Part one was the Withdrawal Agreement which was oven ready and part two is a future Trade Agreement with the EU which was impossible to be oven ready before it was possible to start negotiations. The electorate was not misled.

Alternatively, think of it as the oven ready withdrawal agreement, followed by the easiest trade deal in human history. That’s not looking so easy right now, is it?

 

I don’t know how you define misleading. Personally, I consider lying and misrepresenting situations to be the very essence of misleading.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Pettytom

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15 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Very amusing quoting  an article  in a British pro-EU weekly newspaper in an attempt to re-write history.  

 

The Withdrawal Agreement was oven ready which is the reason along with the 80 seat Tory majority that the UK left the EU on 31st January.  

You do realise that the quote was from Boris Johnson, there's a video too, showing that claims of an oven-ready deal only referred to the WA are false, don't you?

[Pettytom 1]

Don’t worry everyone.

 

Johnson has an oven ready Australian style deal for us all.

 

 

[retep 68]

10 minutes ago, max said:

You do realise that the quote was from Boris Johnson, there's a video too, showing that claims of an oven-ready deal only referred to the WA are false, don't you?

This video?

 

[Pettytom 1]

Or, this one?

 

 

[retep 68]

8 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Or, this one?

 

 

Bernard Cribbins comes to mind.

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17 minutes ago, retep said:

This video?

 

Very amusing using a video in a British pro-Brexit daily "newspaper" in an attempt to re-write history.  

[Baron99 779]

Some of us were ready to vote leave as far back as 2005 if Blair would have stuck to his feeble promises. 

 

Just think we could have been out some 15 years or so now. 

[Mister Gee 813]

24 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

Some of us were ready to vote leave as far back as 2005 if Blair would have stuck to his feeble promises. 

 

Just think we could have been out some 15 years or so now. 

Just think we would have been back in some 5 to 10 years ago or so now.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Mister Gee