Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[L00b 441]

On 30 November 2020 at 17:55, West 77 said:

Only 32 days to go now. Bring in on.

Yes please.

 

Those articles in the Telegraph, the Times and assorted other red tops, likewise the editorial selectivity apparent at the BBC, full of Leavers and ignorant types kicking a fuss about obvious and long-announced consequences of Brexit that are now beginning to play out at last, are worth a smirk at best.

 

This Brexit Season 1 final episode got boring fast, not enough drama by a long shot.

 

Looking forward to Brexit Season 2 starting on 1st January 

 

 

 

 

[Bargepole23 337]

13 hours ago, sadbrewer said:

Apologies I didn't know she'd challenged the Remain funding.

Or you could provide a serious reply rather than dodging the issue.

[Flanker7 20]

What the papers say. You choose.

 

“We’ve done it – but guess who is having a dig at us” – that’s the Express stoking anti-EU sentiment, as you might expect (worth noting that the vaccine is made in Belgium, and also worth considering what no-deal M20 tailbacks from 1 January might mean for getting future supplies into Britain before they go off). 

 

“Vaccinations next week as PM caught in Brexit row” – that’s our Guardian print edition splash, after Boris Johnson had to play down statements by the health secretary that Brexit had helped speed the approval of the vaccine (EU authorities responded that they preferred to take a more cautious approach).

[alchresearch 214]

1 hour ago, Flanker7 said:

What the papers say. You choose.

 

“We’ve done it – but guess who is having a dig at us” – that’s the Express stoking anti-EU sentiment, as you might expect (worth noting that the vaccine is made in Belgium, and also worth considering what no-deal M20 tailbacks from 1 January might mean for getting future supplies into Britain before they go off). 

 

“Vaccinations next week as PM caught in Brexit row” – that’s our Guardian print edition splash, after Boris Johnson had to play down statements by the health secretary that Brexit had helped speed the approval of the vaccine (EU authorities responded that they preferred to take a more cautious approach).

Yep, yesteday we had morons like Fabricant saying that if we were still in the EU they would have blocked the vaccine until they said it was safe.

 

Edited December 3, 2020 by alchresearch

[Baron99 795]

8 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It's a load of nonsense regarding the EU and the vaccine.  Any country still in the EU could have had the Pfizer vaccine ready for use next year just like the UK have done.  If there are problems with the normal crossing routes after the transitional period ends then the RAF will be used to fly doses of the vaccine into the country.

You've only got to look back to earlier pages on this thread & the the hangers on to the 'Project Fear' lot, were busy informing everyone with great surety, that having left the EU, the UK wouldn't be able to access any vaccine manufactured by an EU based company. 

 

Well another 'Project Fear' myth busted. 

Edited December 3, 2020 by Baron99

[L00b 441]

The UK government gave Pfizer an indemnity about any adverse effects of the vaccine.

 

The EU27 are holding out for an all-clear by the EMA, to ensure that Pfizer carries its liability.

 

No partisanship, just reported facts, feel free to draw your own conclusions.

 

FWIW, mine are that Johnson needed a dead big cat to bounce, because Barnier's shot across HMS UK's bows over the IMB/Tax Bill, in his briefing to EU ambassadors yesterday, was rather too close for comfort. He's just about made it over over the line with 'no deal', only a few more days to hold out now.

Edited December 3, 2020 by L00b

[Mister M 1,625]

2 hours ago, West 77 said:

It's a load of nonsense regarding the EU and the vaccine.  Any country still in the EU could have had the Pfizer vaccine ready for use next week just like the UK have done.  If there are problems with the normal crossing routes after the transitional period ends then the RAF will be used to fly doses of the vaccine into the country.

Strange that  cabinet members are still spewing out the Brexit nonsense. Even Boris Johnson was so embarrassed he tried to distance himself from it. It's almost as if those cabinet ministers are lying to ingratiate themselves with head boy Johnson, but even he wants to distance himself from them.

[L00b 441]

25 minutes ago, Mister M said:

Strange that  cabinet members are still spewing out the Brexit nonsense. Even Boris Johnson was so embarrassed he tried to distance himself from it. It's almost as if those cabinet ministers are lying to ingratiate themselves with head boy Johnson, but even he wants to distance himself from them.

It ceases to be so strange, once you place it into a wider context of securing a no-deal outcome at any cost.

 

Because in that context, any messaging of any sort  by ERG types (and/ or their political captives) is all about confusing and distracting to buy a little more time to year end and, this close to the finish line, literally any old guff will do (exhibit A: Gavin Williamson today...so many before him, so many still to come before month end).

 

Meanwhile, adults in the room talk about the 'simplified' NI-GB customs paperwork and the 11 millions (not a typo) of forms that will start getting filled and processed from 1st January (-assuming there is a deal, that is, and of course).

Edited December 3, 2020 by L00b

[Baron99 795]

It appears that the rest of the EU are aiming for the end of December?

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/biontech-pfizer-europe-vaccine-emergency-74475974

[L00b 441]

15 minutes ago, West 77 said:

If anything that article supports the opinions of individual Government ministers that the UK's  decision to leave the EU  enables the UK to be the first country to give out a Covid vaccine to the public. If I lived in one of the 27 EU countries I would be concerned at the delay in getting a vaccine approved for use after the UK has already given the go ahead.

Well, luckily for you, you don't. 

 

You go right on with that early mass vaccination, well done UK 

[altus 540]

1 hour ago, West 77 said:

I think Boris Johnson said it had been a global effort that enables the Pfizer vaccine to be given out next week. You're trying to make a big deal out of what individual ministers have said.  Let's wait and see if the whole EU block decides to approve covid vaccines being given out at the same time.  The fact that the UK have approved the use of the Pfizer vaccine first means the UK are the first in the queue to receive an order from the manufactures. Who can say if the UK hadn't left the EU that the UK wouldn't have waited until other EU nations had approved the vaccine for use and acted jointly.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out when a minister says something stupid - particularly if Boris, himself no stranger to tub thumping hyperbole, feels the need to distance himself from it. Just to remind you, Williamson said the UK approved the vaccine first because we have "much better" scientists than other countries - about a vaccine developed in Germany and manufactured in Belgium. What's he going to do next, praise early British aviators because Louis Blériot landed his plane in Kent?

[L00b 441]

7 minutes ago, West 77 said:

It's likely the US will give approval for the Pfizer vaccine to be given to the public before the EU according to the article due to EU bureaucracy.  I hope the delay in the European regulators decision making won't lead to individual EU countries waiting a long time before receiving the Pfizer vaccine once it has been finally approved for use.  

You concern is very kind, but unfounded. Honestly, don't worry. Just get those vaccinations going.

 

The more and the sooner the UK does, the sooner the FDA and the EMA have the extra test data needed for their own respective approval procedures.

 

Everybody wins, which surely is the best outcome. Well, where Covid is concerned. Which has sod all to do with Brexit, least of all after 1st January of course.