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[Cyclecar 24]

A serious - non partisan - question regarding the fishing issue.  And I do understand the territorial waters law.

 

If we get to Jan 1st and there is NO DEAL, then will there be NO FISHING by EU boats outside their own teritorial waters?

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[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, Cyclecar said:

A serious - non partisan - question regarding the fishing issue.  And I do understand the territorial waters law.

 

If we get to Jan 1st and there is NO DEAL, then will there be NO FISHING by EU boats outside their own teritorial waters?

Why could EU boats not fish in international waters?

 

If you meant 'no fishing by EU boats in UK territorial waters', that makes sense...but then, besides remembering who owns the bulk of UK fishing rights (EU owners -Dutch & Spanish IIRC- plus the five 'Rich List' families): fishing really is an inconsequential side-show. It's a 0.1% drop in the 99.9% ocean of UK economy (0.1% is actual ratio quoted in articles)...and relies on fast and frictionless access to the EU for selling the vast majority of the catch! (80%, as I recall).

 

[/non-partisan answer] 

 

If the UK really wants a deal, it needs to do it this week. So look for movement by the end of the week...or if no (or still insufficient) movement and no-deal looking still more of a certainty, then confirmation that Johnson & Co. have been playing the no-deal clock all along (as I've been suspecting since 2017, and still suspect now).

 

 

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[Magilla 510]

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Lets be honest the Northern Ireland situation has been used by both the Remainers and the EU in order to attempt to keep the whole of the UK imprisoned inside the EU.

Brexit means there has to be a border, why don't you tell us where you thought it was going to be?

 

The reality,  leavers are bitter because the Northern Ireland situation highlights just how clueless they are and how they really never had the remotest clue what they were voting for.

 

17 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Agreements already made are open to misinterpretation which is one of the reasons Boris thought it was necessary to bring in the Internal Market bill.

There is no misinterpretation. Boris lied and then realised his lies were about to go down in a ball of flames.

 

The IM bill makes it impossible to ensure the integrity of the IM. A complete own goal.

 

[Car Boot 10]

4 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Brexit means there has to be a border, why don't you tell us where you thought it was going to be?

 

The reality,  leavers are bitter because the Northern Ireland situation highlights just how clueless they are and how they really never had the remotest clue what they were voting for.

 

There is no misinterpretation. Boris lied and then realised his lies were about to go down in a ball of flames.

 

The IM bill makes it impossible to ensure the integrity of the IM. A complete own goal.

 

There will be no hard border in Ireland. 

 

The British are not going to impose a hard border.

 

We will see if the EU erects a hard border to protect the profits of Thatcher's Single Market.

[L00b 441]

5 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Brexit means there has to be a border, why don't you tell us where you thought it was going to be?

 

The reality,  leavers are bitter because the Northern Ireland situation highlights just how clueless they are and how they really never had the remotest clue what they were voting for.

 

There is no misinterpretation. Boris lied and then realised his lies were about to go down in a ball of flames.

 

The IM bill makes it impossible to ensure the integrity of the IM. A complete own goal.

 

In case you were not aware: Simon Coveney expressly put the kibosh on a deal until and unless the IMB is binned, last week.

 

That's why I haven't engaged any IMB arguments by Leavers since: they're pretty much redundant. Doubly so, now that Biden has got the keys to the White House and turbocharges Irish soft power.

[L00b 441]

14 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

There will be no hard border in Ireland. 

 

The British are not going to impose a hard border.

 

We will see if the EU erects a hard border to protect the profits of Thatcher's Single Market.

There is no borderless area between third party countries anywhere in the world. It is simply not possible, without international treaties (bilateral at a minimum).

 

So if the UK makes good on its threats to breach international law, there will have to be a border, and Ireland will have to put it up in the end.

 

In that unfortunate eventuality, don't kid yourself (i) that the world and its neighbours won't rightly and clearly see that outcome as the UK's fault and (ii) that there will not be (further) consequences for the UK.

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[Magilla 510]

38 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

There will be no hard border in Ireland. 

 

The British are not going to impose a hard border.

The British would have no choice.

 

38 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

We will see if the EU erects a hard border to protect the profits of Thatcher's Single Market.

How can the UK protect it's IM if goods are allowed to flow in freely from another market unchecked?

[Magilla 510]

30 minutes ago, West 77 said:

Leave voters knew exactly what they were voting for which was to Leave the EU.

Cool, so where did you think the border that Brexit made a necessity would be when you cast your vote?

 

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The IM bill is to protect the Union and the Good Friday agreement.

The IM bill undermines it's own reason to exist, it won't fly internationally or at the WTO.

 

As before, how can the UK protect it's IM if goods are allowed to flow in freely from another market unchecked?

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[L00b 441]

2 hours ago, West 77 said:

That 0.1% figure you quote is more or less the same proportion of the total EU trade that crosses the Ireland / Northern Ireland border. The EU are making a lot of fuss about  such a small drop in the ocean don't you think?

Ah, so nothing to do with the fact that Brexit is making that particular border the only land border between the UK and the EU27, then?

 

Nor the fact that, with the still-recent history of the place, restoring standard border checks with uniforms on the ground, would have the place flashpoint afresh in zero second flat?

2 hours ago, West 77 said:

The UK fishing industry has been devastated during the time it was in the EU. Brexit is an opportunity for the UK fishing industry to grow again which will take time to achieve and for the tradition fishing communities to enjoy the benefits. Brexit isn't a short time project and there will be huge opportunities for British industries that take advantage of new trading conditions.

 80% of the UK catch is exported to the EU27.

 

But exiting the Single Market will create huge opportunities for the UK fishing industry.

 

Ladies and gentlemen: 'Brexit' 

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[Car Boot 10]

6 hours ago, Magilla said:

The British would have no choice.

 

How can the UK protect it's IM if goods are allowed to flow in freely from another market unchecked?

The British will not erect a hard border on the island of Ireland. 

 

If the EU imposes a hard border it will bring back the long war.

 

No hard border in Ireland! Stuff Maggie's Single Market!

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[Pettytom 1]

9 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

The British will not erect a hard border on the island of Ireland. 

 

If the EU imposes a hard border it will bring back the long war.

 

No hard border in Ireland! Stuff Maggies's Single Market!

TINA.

 

That’s what you leavers voted for.

[Car Boot 10]

5 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

TINA.

 

That’s what you leavers voted for.

The British will not erect a hard border.

 

Only the EU can impose a hard border, which will be torn down.

 

Irish Republicans and the British public united in their desire for No Hard Border in Ireland.