Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[Pettytom 1]

48 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

You've said that before. Fine, we are all in agreement then.

Except I know that the moaning will still continue because you lost the referendum and decide to do a Donald Trump.

I’m sorry if I’m boring you, but I thought you might need the clarification.

 

We are just over a month from the hardest of Brexits.  We have portaloos deployed down the side of the M20 because lorry drivers will need somewhere to go whilst queuing to get through Dover.  We have the Farage garage as overspill if 30 miles of tailbacks aren’t enough. We’ve got Tesco’s and Sainsbury’s pleading for special status in Ireland. We have virtually no trade deals with anyone, anywhere. We have no common standards to allow manufacturing to continue sensibly. We’ve got a set of self serving, second rate losers in charge.

 

So, well done for creating all that mess. Now get on and sort it out please

[melthebell 862]

25 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Why do Remainers have so little confidence in the UK to forge it's own destiny?

 

It's almost as if, to them, the UK is a brand new nation that only came into being in 1973.

 

It's also telling that the majority of Remainers voted the way they did in the referendum because of a fear of the consequences of Leaving the EU, not because they supported its neo-liberal global capitalist big business political union agenda.

BECAUSE the world has changed dramatically since 1973, and not always for the good and like i said not many (if any?) countries have ever left a trading block

4 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I’m sorry if I’m boring you, but I thought you might need the clarification.

 

We are just over a month from the hardest of Brexits.  We have portaloos deployed down the side of the M20 because lorry drivers will need somewhere to go whilst queuing to get through Dover.  We have the Farage garage as overspill if 30 miles of tailbacks aren’t enough. We’ve got Tesco’s and Sainsbury’s pleading for special status in Ireland. We have virtually no trade deals with anyone, anywhere. We have no common standards to allow manufacturing to continue sensibly. We’ve got a set of self serving, second rate losers in charge.

 

So, well done for creating all that mess. Now get on and sort it out please

and weve just seen the president of the united states change, so could be at the back of the queue for the biggest trade deal we may get

11 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

 

And we can just as easily do the same.

so we leave one trading block to join another one??

 

*scratches head*

[L00b 441]

12 minutes ago, melthebell said:

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and weve just seen the president of the united states change, so could be at the back of the queue for the biggest trade deal we may get

Johnson was given his Brexit marching orders by Biden in that phone call (the kite-flying reporting of which in UK MSM was rather funny to observe, from afar).

 

Either Johnson toes the US line and drops the contentious bits of the IM bill, whereby you will see a EU-UK very slim deal in the nick of time...

 

...or Johnson continues to hedge his bets over Trump (yes, really) and runs the UK both seriously out of favour with the Biden administration, and out of time for any deal -however thin- with the EU in time by January.

Edited November 11, 2020 by L00b

[melthebell 862]

1 minute ago, L00b said:

Johnson was given his Brexit marching orders by Biden in that phone call (the kite-flying reporting of which in UK MSM was rather funny to observe, from afar).

 

Either Johnson toes the US line and drops the contentious bits of the IM bill, whereby you will see a EU-UK very slim deal in the nick of time...

 

...or Johnson continues to hedge his bets over Trump (yes, really) and runs the UK both seriously out of favour with the Biden administration, and out of time for any deal -however thin- with the EU in time by January.

so much for sovereignty (maybe brextremists will finally see full sovereignty doesnt exist in a global world, when you need to trade to keep living standards the same)

[Magilla 510]

6 minutes ago, L00b said:

Either Johnson toes the US line and drops the contentious bits of the IM bill, whereby you will see a EU-UK very slim deal in the nick of time...

Charles Kupchan, foreign policy advisor to Biden:

"the relationship between the US and UK will be fine. I'm just not sure if it's going to matter that much."

 

He went on to tell Times Radio that France had overtaken the UK as the the port of call for the US when it comes to issues of foreign policy.

[L00b 441]

33 minutes ago, melthebell said:

so much for sovereignty (maybe brextremists will finally see full sovereignty doesnt exist in a global world, when you need to trade to keep living standards the same)

And as it should happen...

 

...the UK government suddenly kicked the next IM Bill Parliamentary session further into the long November grass, according to the Telegraph.

 

Surely just a coincidence  

 

"the relationship between the US and UK will be fine. I'm just not sure if it's going to matter that much."

Ouch. 'bit harsh. 

 

Edited November 11, 2020 by L00b

[whiteowl 54]

12 minutes ago, West 77 said:

When did France overtake the UK on issues of foreign policy?  France have been important because like the UK they are one of the five permanent members of the UK but they are not Americas closest ally.

Americas closest ally has always been whoever is of most benefit to the USA at the time.

 

The UK has been seen as a bridge into Europe (and the EU) for many years now. As we have left the EU, it remains to be seen whether our position of preferential lapdog remains.

[L00b 441]

12 minutes ago, West 77 said:

All rather amusing.

I'm glad you're finding it funny too...

13 minutes ago, West 77 said:

The House of Lords didn't vote against the Internal Market bill because Biden won the US election. The UK Government will bring the IM bill back at a time of their own choosing. The IM bill has already been a success because the UK and EU are closer now to a trade agreement than before the IM bill legislation was put forward.  The UK and EU will agree a trade deal before the end of the year which will make the IM bill mostly irrelevant. The UK and US will reach a trade agreement similar to how they currently trade with each.

...though you doth protest a tad too much, at times.

[Car Boot 10]

6 hours ago, melthebell said:

so much for sovereignty (maybe brextremists will finally see full sovereignty doesnt exist in a global world, when you need to trade to keep living standards the same)

We can, and will, still trade with our global partners.

 

We just won't be in a political and economic union with them.

 

It's called progress.

[Litotes 63]

3 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

We can, and will, still trade with our global partners.

 

We just won't be in a political and economic union with them.

 

It's called progress.

Progress will be trading with the rest of the world, which you are correct about, but at a significant economic disadvantage.

But never mind we will be able to sell cheese to Japan (The long-term economic boost from the deal, according to the U.K. government’s analysis is a 0.07 percent rise to GDP. )

[altus 538]

6 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

We can, and will, still trade with our global partners.

 

We just won't be in a political and economic union with them.

 

It's called progress.

Nobody's claiming we won't be able to trade with people. You brexiters need to stop with that straw man because it makes it look like you don't know what you're talking about.

 

The issue is we won't be able to trade on such advantageous terms as we did as part of a large group. That trade deal with Japan that brexiters are so keen on, 80% of the benefits of it go to Japan. Imagine the fuss if a trade deal with the EU gave 80% of the benefits to the EU.

[Litotes 63]

19 minutes ago, West 77 said:

By all accounts the UK trade deal with Japan is nearly on the same terms as the EU trade deal with Japan. The only difference is digital trade. Do 80% of the benefits in the Japan and EU trade deal go to Japan?

So you agree that we don't have as good a deal as the EU and yet this is claimed as a good outcome of 'taking back control'?