retep   68 #949 Posted October 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Magilla said: 2016 is so 4 years ago  The vast majority of the electorate now believe Brexit was mistake  A subset of the electorate, let alone "the people".  Glad we can agree, Brexit was never the will of "the people" Only the losers who voted remain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus   534 #950 Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, retep said: Yes and now we are out of the EU we may be making rules against it, keep your pigs heads and enjoy your sausages, https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_sep_eu_food_dangers Conspicuous by it's absence in that report is the part UK politicians played in enabling legislation for the changes in standards. If UK politicians had voted against it you'd think an anti-EU site would be crowing about the EU imposing changes on the UK against our wishes. The fact that they don't implies that this is yet again another example of Brexiters blaming the EU for something that the UK supported. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   212 #951 Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Car Boot said: Its shocking that the EU has done so little in the four years since the vote to persuade Leave voters that they would be better in the EU. A Brexiteer want the EU to overthrow the will of the people, really! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #952 Posted October 17, 2020 2 hours ago, altus said: Conspicuous by it's absence in that report is the part UK politicians played in enabling legislation for the changes in standards. If UK politicians had voted against it you'd think an anti-EU site would be crowing about the EU imposing changes on the UK against our wishes. The fact that they don't implies that this is yet again another example of Brexiters blaming the EU for something that the UK supported. Perhaps you missed this bit, "Under the disastrous Withdrawal Agreement and its Transition Period, the UK is still bound by the EU's rules on food safety. If we had wished to restore the previous rules where our meat inspectors could do more than a visual inspection of a pig which might be infected, we could not have done so." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   775 #953 Posted October 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Magilla said: Which, of course, is why the vast majority of the electorate now believe Brexit was mistake  Brexit was never "the will of the people". My bold.  That's a massive statement to make without any back up?  Or are you going to provide evidence such as this to support the claim?  https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/survey-on-twitter-shows-majority-of-brits-still-want-to-82698  Evidence based on a sample size of 1,100. Hmmm?  I think you'll find the figure of 17,410,000 vastly out weighs any tiny poll you care to put up.   17,410,000 is & always will be the only figure recognised by history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla   510 #954 Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Baron99 said: My bold.  That's a massive statement to make without any back up?  Or are you going to provide evidence such as this to support the claim? There so much evidence it's pretty hard to miss...  "In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?" https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/  one amongst many...  Quote  https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/survey-on-twitter-shows-majority-of-brits-still-want-to-82698  Evidence based on a sample size of 1,100. Hmmm? And another...  Quote I think you'll find the figure of 17,410,000 vastly out weighs any tiny poll you care to put up.   17,410,000 is & always will be the only figure recognised by history. LOL, and it's very likely those 17,410,000 are going to be recorded by history as plonkers! Edited October 17, 2020 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99   775 #955 Posted October 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Magilla said: There so much evidence it's pretty hard to miss...  "In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?" https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/  one amongst many...  And another...  LOL, and it's very likely those 17,410,000 are going to be recorded by history as plonkers! No large scale sample survey figures to back up your previous claim that the MAJORITY of UK voters want to remain with the EU then? Thought that would be difficult to prove?  17,410,000 or 52%? Take your pick?  I don't care what people say, triumphalism isn't underrated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #956 Posted October 17, 2020 5 hours ago, retep said: Yes and now we are out of the EU we may be making rules against it, keep your pigs heads and enjoy your sausages, https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_sep_eu_food_dangers   Excellent, I assume you are guaranteeing we will have better food standards in this country then, yeah? See below. 5 hours ago, Car Boot said: Over fours years later and the will of the people has only strengthened against EU membership. Elections have been lost by those who sought to overturn the referendum result. Affluent middle class people have marched on the streets to cancel the votes of the majority Leave side.  To Leave the EU is what I voted for. I still believe that this was the correct choice, over four years later. No part of the EU in that time has said, or done, anything to introduce any element of doubt to that belief, that I may have voted the wrong way. In fact, it seems to me, the EU has since June 2016 been working hard to convince me that I voted correctly.  Its shocking that the EU has done so little in the four years since the vote to persuade Leave voters that they would be better in the EU. It only makes me think the EU really doesn't care about the UK, in which case we are Better Off Out. I am delighted you are finally getting the outcome you want, now can you please explain how this will benefit 'us'? You know, the cornerstone of socialism 'for the benefit of the people', please do explain Car Boot. I am VERY curious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   594 #957 Posted October 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Car Boot said: Its shocking that the EU has done so little in the four years since the vote to persuade Leave voters that they would be better in the EU. It only makes me think the EU really doesn't care about the UK, in which case we are Better Off Out. So what should they have done - offered free beer and fags? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla   510 #958 Posted October 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Baron99 said: No large scale sample survey figures to back up your previous claim that the MAJORITY of UK voters want to remain with the EU then? Thought that would be difficult to prove? LOL... or yawn... not sure  You'd think there'd be a smattering of polls showing the opposite if the writing wasn't on the wall.  6 minutes ago, Baron99 said: 17,410,000 or 52%? Take your pick? That's a lot of plonkers!  6 minutes ago, Baron99 said: I don't care what people say, triumphalism isn't underrated. Let's hope it last eh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
altus   534 #959 Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, retep said: Perhaps you missed this bit, "Under the disastrous Withdrawal Agreement and its Transition Period, the UK is still bound by the EU's rules on food safety. If we had wished to restore the previous rules where our meat inspectors could do more than a visual inspection of a pig which might be infected, we could not have done so." Perhaps you can explain why you think that indicates that the UK's representatives in the EU were against the new rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep   68 #960 Posted October 17, 2020 32 minutes ago, altus said: Perhaps you can explain why you think that indicates that the UK's representatives in the EU were against the new rules. Perhaps because the UK had left the EU and had no say in rule making. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...