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Anyone claiming that this government couldn’t organise a party in a  brewery should think again.

 

Alerted to the chaos that is about to engulf Dover and the M20, they have unveiled contingency plans to place portable toilets at the side of the road. So that truckers stuck in the tailbacks for the continent don’t have to wee into bottles.

 

I really wish I was making this up, but I’m not.

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The UK must NOT agree to any common principles on state aid with the EU.

 

The UK has left the failing trading bloc. We are now a sovereign nation again and this will be recognised by Brussels.

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2 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The UK must NOT agree to any common principles on state aid with the EU.

 

The UK has left the failing trading bloc. We are now a sovereign nation again and this will be recognised by Brussels.

Didn't "Brussels" recognise the UK's sovereign decision to leave the EU back in March 2017, and the UK's de facto leaving in January 2020?

 

The UK doesn't have to agree anything, no more than "Brussels" has to: each of the EU27 is just as sovereign as the UK, and free to set negotiating red lines, both individual and pooled ones.

 

LPF (amongst which, these common principles on state aid) are such a pooled red line of the EU27.

 

Whereby no agreement by UK = no deal...which an increasing amount of continental politicians are now pushing for, worryingly*. 

 

Simples :|

 

* worryingly, for those who understand the consequences of no deal, irrespective of their debating 'side'. That excludes you, obviously.

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3 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The UK must NOT agree to any common principles on state aid with the EU.

The UK has *already* signed up to state aid curbs in the Japan deal that are far more restrictive than anything the EU is asking for.

 

3 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The UK has left the failing trading bloc. We are now a sovereign nation again and this will be recognised by Brussels.

Indeed it is, car parts and all! :hihi:

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4 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The UK must NOT agree to any common principles on state aid with the EU.

There has obviously been lots of state aid during this COVID crisis, by the EU and UK. We have a Conservative Government who have a dislike of state aid, so I dont see why it would be a sticking point.

The use of state aid has been used in the argument against having a publically owned railway.

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5 hours ago, Car Boot said:

The UK must NOT agree to any common principles on state aid with the EU.

 

The UK has left the failing trading bloc. We are now a sovereign nation again and this will be recognised by Brussels.

We have with Japan. 

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It seems Boris' deadline of the 15th has been extended...

 

...didn't see that one coming :?

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/16/boris-johnson-tells-uk-prepare-for-a-no-deal-brexit

Johnson telling industry to be prepared for all the changes required from 1st Jan as they should have been long aware of the possibility of a no deal.

If that is to be what happens then it comes down to serial failure by the Conservative party and their leaders to act in the interests of the population.

Lets hope this is the latest demonstration of brinkmanship and that Johnson is capable of finding a face saving way out of the mess that has been years in the making.

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I work in a business that imports around a quarter of its goods for re-sale from Europe and we have been well ahead of the curve in planning for this.

The interesting thing to me is that the difference between deal or no-deal on cost prices is quite minimal in our sector due to tariffs being a small part of the overall cost but duty being more significant.

With a deal our costs on these goods will increase by 12%, with no deal it’s 14%.

If businesses haven’t started looking at this I guess they will get a bit of a shock at how much duty is applied.

I would be surprised if there are many large businesses that are not ready for whatever comes, smaller businesses are probably more of a challenge as they will need to seek external advice to understand what’s required.

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1 hour ago, Westie1889 said:

I work in a business that imports around a quarter of its goods for re-sale from Europe and we have been well ahead of the curve in planning for this.

The interesting thing to me is that the difference between deal or no-deal on cost prices is quite minimal in our sector due to tariffs being a small part of the overall cost but duty being more significant.

With a deal our costs on these goods will increase by 12%, with no deal it’s 14%.

If businesses haven’t started looking at this I guess they will get a bit of a shock at how much duty is applied.

I would be surprised if there are many large businesses that are not ready for whatever comes, smaller businesses are probably more of a challenge as they will need to seek external advice to understand what’s required.

I rang HMRC and they didn't know. I looked on the website, that didn't tell me either. What I was asking was a bit specialised but I was surprised by their total lack of knowledge.

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2 hours ago, Westie1889 said:

With a deal our costs on these goods will increase by 12%, with no deal it’s 14%.

If businesses haven’t started looking at this I guess they will get a bit of a shock at how much duty is applied.

That is massive compared to staying in. If your company reduces its profits by 2%, that is a lot of money, over all the country.

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June 2016, The Consequences of Brexit first post was placed on this forum. We are now hundreds of pages into it and over 4 years later. We've had two elections in the meantime, essentially because the government could not find a way to make Brexit work. 

 

On the 1st of January this country will no longer be part of any trading block. It will be able to determine its own future. This is (according to Car Boot and other vocal Brexit supporters) what the people wanted.

 

Sadly I haven't got a clue how to make Brexit work. I therefore propose this new thread: 'This is how we make Brexit work.'

 

Feel free to take the floor vociferous pro-Brexit folks. Tell us of all the benefits we will have going forward. 

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