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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

I have NEVER stated that I don't care about Northern Ireland or the  Scots. Indeed, I have argued against the return of a hard border in Ireland. I think if the Scots and the Northern Irish wish to leave the UK then they should be helped to do so. We will still be a family of nations, we don't need economic and political union for that. 

 

While they wish to remain in the UK they should be treated as full members - not part EU/part UK.

So, how do you create an acceptable border between Northern Ireland and Ireland?

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3 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

So, how do you create an acceptable border between Northern Ireland and Ireland?

Good luck with that 😂

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2 minutes ago, whiteowl said:

Good luck with that 😂

It’s easy really.

 

You create a border between the two Irelands. That will protect our trading integrity and the EU’s. It is the only way to do that.

 

There might be a few complications though.

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8 hours ago, Longcol said:

Why - especially if, for example, an independent Scotland joined the EU?

Because we have a shared history and a shared People. Somethings are more important than a grubby trading bloc with pretensions of world domination.

 

6 hours ago, Pettytom said:

It’s easy really.

 

You create a border between the two Irelands. That will protect our trading integrity and the EU’s. It is the only way to do that.

 

There might be a few complications though.

No. There will be no hard border in Ireland. If the EU imposes one it will be torn down. Thatcher's Single Market is simply not important.

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1 hour ago, Car Boot said:

Because we have a shared history and a shared People. Somethings are more important than a grubby trading bloc with pretensions of world domination.

 

No. There will be no hard border in Ireland. If the EU imposes one it will be torn down. Thatcher's Single Market is simply not important.

It must be lovely to view things with such simplicity 

 

Meanwhile, in the real world, there is a difficult problem to solve. Caused entirely by Brexiters.

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11 hours ago, Pettytom said:

What could we possibly do instead?

Reduce crossborder trading to nothing?

 

A pragmatic, business-oriented solution that eschews much of the costs forecast under policies prompted by the UK's ongoing cultural shift.

 

Unsurprisingly therefore... ;)

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4 hours ago, Car Boot said:

No. There will be no hard border in Ireland. If the EU imposes one it will be torn down. Thatcher's Single Market is simply not important.

For the UK, it's about the Internal Market...

 

...which can't be protected if goods are allowed to flow in freely from another jurisdiction.

 

It's incumbent for both sides to protect their markets.

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In other news Nissan and Toyota are asking the government for compo if they have to pay tariffs.

 

They won't get it.

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22 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

In other news Nissan and Toyota are asking the government for compo if they have to pay tariffs.

 

They won't get it.

I wouldn't be so sure, costs seem to be irrelevant to this government compared to optics.

 

Brexit is already a costly disaster, not a good look for a Brexiteer government when it gets much much worse.

 

Pretty sure it'd be classed as state-aid though, so the likes of the USA will most definitely object. In the end it'll cost more than it saves.

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5 minutes ago, Magilla said:

Pretty sure it'd be classed as state-aid though, so the likes of the USA will most definitely object. In the end it'll cost more than it saves.

I personally think this talk of stateaid is nonsense.  State aid would be allow as a transition phase. If any Government wanted to give favouritism to any bussiness, surely they could just lower the tax they they pay to the government?

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Here's an example of state aid that HMG might think a worthwhile investment. In this instance the UK should be able to decide if it wants to commit funds to a project. If the EU has a veto on UK internal policy it could simply refuse permission to the UK while making special state aid exemption rules for its own competing interests. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/10/04/uks-gigafactory-dream-could-fall-without-change-state-aid-rules/

 

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A £1.2bn project to build Britain's first 'gigafactory' to supply electric batteries for the UK car industry could unravel without changes to UK state aid rules, according to the company's chief executive.

Orral Nadjari heads up Britishvolt, which is close to submitting formal applications to build a so-called ‘gigafactory’ at two potential sites in South Wales and southwest England.

The scheme, which could create 3,500 jobs, could prove critical to plans to protect the industry after Brexit as the UK aims to phase out all sales of petrol and diesel vehicles by 2035.

But Mr Nadjari said changes to UK state aid rules are essential to ensure the viability of the scheme, which is competing directly with a string of big projects in the European Union. Unlike Britishvolt, these are receiving generous government funding and support packages worth hundreds of millions of pounds.

 

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26 minutes ago, Tony said:

Here's an example of state aid that HMG might think a worthwhile investment. In this instance the UK should be able to decide if it wants to commit funds to a project. If the EU has a veto on UK internal policy it could simply refuse permission to the UK while making special state aid exemption rules for its own competing interests. 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/10/04/uks-gigafactory-dream-could-fall-without-change-state-aid-rules/

The EU is planning to allow state aid for electric battery research and will offer billions of euros of co-funding to companies willing to build giant battery factories... so, he would... wouldn't he :rolleyes:

 

The mandatory (these days) Brexit irony...

 

Elon Musk stated that the previously announced Tesla R&D centre to be built in the UK, and any possibility of building Teslas Gigafactory in the UK...

 

....went south because of Brexit!

 

Both went to Germany.

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