Pettytom 1 #733 Posted September 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, retep said: If you want to risk your life you rely on the CE mark the evidence is there in the amount of fires caused by dodgy whitegoods. Which bit did you think made it worth posting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dardandec 32 #734 Posted September 18, 2020 34 minutes ago, Pettytom said: Which bit did you think made it worth posting? Probably the picture of the fake power tool on the floor in flames. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep 68 #735 Posted September 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Dardandec said: Probably the picture of the fake power tool on the floor in flames. Or these fakes, "Faulty fridges and tumble dryers are among the common household items causing more than 60 fires in UK homes every week." https://news.sky.com/story/eight-house-fires-a-week-caused-by-faulty-white-goods-11250607#:~:text=Faulty fridges and tumble dryers,in a Hotpoint fridge-freezer. All CE marked. let's hope it gets better with a Kite Mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom 1 #736 Posted September 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, retep said: Or these fakes, "Faulty fridges and tumble dryers are among the common household items causing more than 60 fires in UK homes every week." https://news.sky.com/story/eight-house-fires-a-week-caused-by-faulty-white-goods-11250607#:~:text=Faulty fridges and tumble dryers,in a Hotpoint fridge-freezer. All CE marked. let's hope it gets better with a Kite Mark. Why do you think a kite mark is better than a CE mark? What specific improvements will Kite Marking make? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep 68 #737 Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Pettytom said: Why do you think a kite mark is better than a CE mark? What specific improvements will Kite Marking make? CE mark is the responsibility of the manufacturer. Kite mark is tested by BSI, "A Kitemark logo certifies that the quality and safety of the product has been tested by the British Standards Institute, whose initials are contained in the logo. To obtain a Kitemark certification, a vendor must submit the product to the British Standards Institution (BSI) for testing. The vendor pays for the testing, which is repeated at regular intervals to keep the certification." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Pettytom 1 #738 Posted September 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, retep said: CE mark is the responsibility of the manufacturer. Kite mark is tested by BSI, "A Kitemark logo certifies that the quality and safety of the product has been tested by the British Standards Institute, whose initials are contained in the logo. To obtain a Kitemark certification, a vendor must submit the product to the British Standards Institution (BSI) for testing. The vendor pays for the testing, which is repeated at regular intervals to keep the certification." But CE markings are subject to regulation and enforcement. They can only be used if a product meets relevant criteria. Essentially, there is no difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Dardandec 32 #739 Posted September 19, 2020 15 hours ago, retep said: Or these fakes, "Faulty fridges and tumble dryers are among the common household items causing more than 60 fires in UK homes every week." https://news.sky.com/story/eight-house-fires-a-week-caused-by-faulty-white-goods-11250607#:~:text=Faulty fridges and tumble dryers,in a Hotpoint fridge-freezer. All CE marked. let's hope it gets better with a Kite Mark. Electrical items with heater elements that can gather fluff, are always going to be risky. Having worked in the motor industry all my life, I have witnessed numerous heat guns in bodyshops literally burst into flames for this reason. What makes you think it would be any different if these items sported a kite mark? You are just assuming, because of your hatred for the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Bargepole23 337 #740 Posted September 20, 2020 19 hours ago, Pettytom said: But CE markings are subject to regulation and enforcement. They can only be used if a product meets relevant criteria. Essentially, there is no difference. There is a clear difference. One is independently assessed, the other isn't. I've prepared technical files for CE marking of industrial systems. They sit untouched and unreviewed by any independent assessor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
retep 68 #741 Posted September 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Dardandec said: Electrical items with heater elements that can gather fluff, are always going to be risky. Having worked in the motor industry all my life, I have witnessed numerous heat guns in bodyshops literally burst into flames for this reason. What makes you think it would be any different if these items sported a kite mark? You are just assuming, because of your hatred for the EU. Reasons explained by Bargepole 23. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony 10 #742 Posted September 21, 2020 On 18/09/2020 at 18:27, Litotes said: I actually thought they were well articulated arguments. Perhaps you could point out the errors as you are obviously better educated and informed? Fundamentally wrong though since it confuses the micro and the macro. It's amazing that people still think that the EU and the UK do business together. I can't dismantle the arguments because they are inappropriate bias led grandstanding rather than arguments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Magilla 510 #743 Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tony said: Fundamentally wrong though since it confuses the micro and the macro. It's amazing that people still think that the EU and the UK do business together. That would be the "each individual EU member" bit Quote I can't dismantle the arguments because they are inappropriate bias led grandstanding rather than arguments. Nah, that isn't the reason Edited September 21, 2020 by Magilla Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Car Boot 10 #744 Posted September 22, 2020 The EU regularly breaks international law and treaties. FACT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...