Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[Arnold_Lane 0]

1 hour ago, L00b said:

Just the Dunn Kruger effect in full flow, regretably typical of most people still arguing for a hard-type Brexit, in this day and age, after the <removed> of the last 4 years.

 

Clearly, some of them have yet to transition over to the 'valley of despair' stage 😏

It’s Dunning-Kruger.

 

Otherwise, I agree

Edited September 1, 2020 by Arnold_Lane

[melthebell 862]

3 hours ago, L00b said:

 

Did you bother to read them? Because they prove the opposite. Just saying.

 

Thats brexit in a nutshell, they ONLY read the headlines, soundbites and titles

[tinfoilhat 11]

This looks important.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-food-companies-warn-boris-johnson-has-missed-labelling-deadline-2020-9?amp&r=US&IR=T&r=US&IR=T&__twitter_impression=true

[Magilla 510]

12 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

This looks important.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-food-companies-warn-boris-johnson-has-missed-labelling-deadline-2020-9?amp&r=US&IR=T&r=US&IR=T&__twitter_impression=true

'Significant gaps' in UK's border plans:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54021421

 

National Audit Office highlights failure to get to grips with scale of challenge:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/04/government-secrecy-hindered-brexit-plans-watchdog-says

"Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU) did not aid cross-government working"

 

 

[Magilla 510]

That "oven ready" deal Boris signed, turns out he doesn't like it...

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-0c29-4f5f-9cb0-130c75a2f7a7

"directly setting up UK law in opposition with obligations under the withdrawal agreement, and in full cognisance that this will breach international law."

 

UK declares to the world that "UK deals are not worth the paper they're printed on"!

 

That will have significant consequences... not least a hard border in NI

 

Boris is cornered by reality, trying to look like he's putting up a fight.

 

I don't think it'll work.

[altus 537]

2 minutes ago, Magilla said:

That "oven ready" deal Boris signed, turns out he doesn't like it...

https://www.ft.com/content/9906e0d4-0c29-4f5f-9cb0-130c75a2f7a7

"directly setting up UK law in opposition with obligations under the withdrawal agreement, and in full cognisance that this will breach international law."

 

UK declares to the world that "UK deals are not worth the paper they're printed on"!

 

That will have significant consequences... not least a hard border in NI

 

Boris is cornered by reality, trying to look like he's putting up a fight.

 

I don't think it'll work.

Here's the Beeb report for those who can't access the FT version.

 

Trying to go back on deals you've negotiated - that looks so good for a country that's about to try getting trade deals with many countries around the world. Every future trade deal will have a clause saying 'any ambiguity will be in favour of the country that isn't the UK' to stop attempts at this type of shenanigans.

 

Boris is willing to risk the peace in NI to avoid upsetting the rabid brexiters.

With Scottish elections coming up next year, Nicola Sturgeon must be delighted.

 

The latter two points make breakup of the UK that more likely.

[the_bloke 17]

You can read it here, it's been available for at least a month.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-internal-market/uk-internal-market

 

Feel free to point out the parts in it that break the terms in the withdrawal agreement. Especially in the whole 'Northern Ireland' section.

 

I can't read the FT version, but the BBC article provides no specifics. Just excitement and bluster.

[L00b 441]

56 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

You can read it here, it's been available for at least a month.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-internal-market/uk-internal-market

 

Feel free to point out the parts in it that break the terms in the withdrawal agreement. Especially in the whole 'Northern Ireland' section.

 

I can't read the FT version, but the BBC article provides no specifics. Just excitement and bluster.

This is a policy paper, not a draft Bill.

 

The BBC article quotes BBC political correspondent Chris Mason about the proposed bill (presumably Mr Mason has previewed it), which would allegedly "attempt to free the UK of an obligation... to check goods crossing from Great Britain to Northern Ireland".

 

We haven't seen that draft bill. But if it has the above effect, then it would be in breach of the WA and NI protocol to same (Johnson's oven-ready deal, lest we forget), which jointly create that obligation upon the UK to check goods crossing from GB to NI. 

 

If that obligation was to be removed by domestic UK law (this draft bill, if eventually voted through), then goods would need to be checked when crossing from NI to the Republic of Ireland. Meaning a hard NI / RoI border.

 

All hypothetical of course, until we get to see that draft bill on Wednesday. But not a good look, all the same.

Edited September 7, 2020 by L00b

[RJRB 688]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54051933

 

Rule Brittannia

Brittania waives the rules.

 

If after 4 years we cannot negotiate mutually beneficial trade deals with our nearest ,largest and long established market then I hold no optimism for the brave new world touted by the Brexit camp.

No Deal is bad,but even if its advocates have their way,then they have failed to make the necessary provisions over the last 4 years.

I hope that this governments propensity to handbrake turns is demonstrated again

 

[Longcol 596]

3 hours ago, West 77 said:

It's only those who voted to remain and still don't accept the eu referendum result who are moaning about negotiations. A trade deal will happen because an agreement will be reached. An agreement will be reached because the eu know Parliament can't blog the option of the UK adopting WTO terms.

And what if the EU says to the UK " go ahead and adopt WTO terms?"

[RJRB 688]

4 hours ago, West 77 said:

It's only those who voted to remain and still don't accept the eu referendum result who are moaning about negotiations. A trade deal will happen because an agreement will be reached. An agreement will be reached because the eu know Parliament can't blog the option of the UK adopting WTO terms.

That’s not even remotely true.

The moaning will  also come from Brexit supporters who either wanted No deals all along or will not be happy with any compromises.

[Magilla 510]

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

And what if the EU says to the UK " go ahead and adopt WTO terms?"

Well, as Merkel said not long ago... "Brexit mean Brexit"

 

In the meantime, Boris is trying to spin this latest shambles as an "unforeseen consequence" of stuff Theresa May did...

 

...as usual, a lie!

 

The issues that Johnson claims were "unforeseen", were in fact foreseen and overcome by Theresa May and in the end came about as a direct consequence of Johnson's own changes.

 

 

Someone needs to tell Boris that *he’s* the one who signed a deal that now, apparently, doesn't make sense!

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by Magilla