Consequences Of Brexit [Part 9] Read First Post Before Posting

[L00b 441]

1 hour ago, RJRB said:

Unfortunately when you lose a vote in a democracy,then you have to live with the result until the next opportunity to vote.This applies to both Brexit and the GE.

We can rant and rave or take to the streets but nothing can be done,other than to challenge every broken promise and excuse that we are about to witness.

The wheel keeps turning as history shows withChurchill,Thatcher,Blair,Cameron,and for reasons that an only be explained in retrospect.

Ou best hope at the moment is that sanity returns and Johnson /Cummings are ousted by their own moderate colleagues.

Every Democratic country has the same problems and the comparatively recent rise in right wing populism should be a concern to  all wherever we live.

 

I take your sentiment of course...but I'll call it in true spade-is-a-spade fashion: how's that 'wait for the next opportunity to vote' been working for the UK since 2016?

 

'nothing can be done', i.e. doing nothing, has always been, and always will be, a decision to do nothing. Like all decisions, it has consequences, and those who took it, even by omission, get to wear those consequences just the same.

 

Sorry to break it to you, but don't expect much succour from the rest of the world whilst your current government burns every last bridge and its own house, until and unless the UK begins to help itself: the UK is out of the EU, the EU27 will look after their collective selves.

 

Nothing personal, it's just (international) business (-which sustains domestic well-being).

Edited February 28, 2020 by L00b

[RJRB 688]

Thanks again ,for breaking nothing to me.

From the outset I have had no belief at all that there is a world out there just waiting to negotiate trade deals that will provide markets to compensate for our damaged relationship with the EU,which has provided  our largest,and geographically most convenient market.America!China! Developing countries.

To ditch this in the name of Sovereignty is beyond belief.

I hate the image that we have created of an isolated country who has walked away from a seat at the top table when in reality the only sector that are temporarily winners are those who believe themselves to be the ruling class.

On a personal level ,as a retiree home owner with a final salary pension scheme,I perhaps have no need to do anything.

However as a father and grandfather I do feel the need to challenge the rhetoric and lies that have got us where we are.

Your decision to do something was to up sticks.Fair enough,you obviously have the skills to transfer elsewhere.

To do something over the next few months is just not a possibility,unless you have some suggestions.

 

 

[L00b 441]

It's not my place to suggest any particular course of action.

 

Just to inform about how the situation looks like from outside the UK, opine about it based on 2 decades living and working in South Yorks (and so a passing familiarity with British mores), and take the occasional Schadenfreudish swipe at the few still convinced that Brexit was a good idea.

 

I speak for the 3 million when I remark that I was never given any vote in the matter (referendum or GEs), so there was never anything that I could have actually done about 'Brexit' (besides informing and debating), the unfolding circumstances of which were all forced unto me and mine.

 

So you'll have to forgive me for not sticking around, for just having to repeatedly turn the other cheek at your politicians' opportunistic and dog-whistling bequest, whilst still being tolerated enough to pay income tax at the highest rate and so pay them for the priviledge of it. **** that for a game of soldiers.

 

You (the collective, the British electorate) elected them, and keep reelecting them, so you ******* well sort it.

 

The immigration figures write themselves in the meantime.

Edited February 28, 2020 by L00b

[Mister Gee 823]

On 19/02/2020 at 19:34, West 77 said:

I voted for the Conservative party in December 2019 because they were the only main party promising to get Brexit done. Thankfully Britain has now officially left the EU.  All you are doing is  pointless scaremongering,  I wish my Mother was still alive.  If I believe the Conservative party has done a bad job when 2024 arrives then if I believe there is a better alternative party to rule Britain then I will switch my vote. 

Are you happy with things so far?

[Car Boot 10]

 

 To many forum contributors the UK didn't exist economically until 1973. Oh dear. 

 

The EU is now in a Lose/Lose position.

 

Millions of EU citizens will lose their jobs if Brussels seeks to promote the fantasy that the UK cannot survive outside the trading bloc, or the EU can allow the UK to prosper - weakening EU member states economically and again losing EU jobs.

 

This crisis in global capitalism will mean the EU is weakened no matter the outcome of Brexit. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2020 by Car Boot

[RJRB 688]

13 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

 

 To many forum contributors the UK didn't exist economically until 1973. Oh dear. 

 

The EU is now in a Lose/Lose position.

 

Millions of EU citizens will lose their jobs if Brussels seeks to promote the fantasy that the UK cannot survive outside the trading bloc, or the EU can allow the UK to prosper - weakening EU member states economically and again losing EU jobs.

 

This crisis in global capitalism will mean the EU is weakened no matter the outcome of Brexit. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The EU will be weaker,and the U.K. will be weaker as a result of Brexit.

Are we back to discussing which countries will be most damaged?

[Longcol 604]

5 hours ago, Car Boot said:

 

 To many forum contributors the UK didn't exist economically until 1973. Oh dear. 

 

The EU is now in a Lose/Lose position.

 

Millions of EU citizens will lose their jobs if Brussels seeks to promote the fantasy that the UK cannot survive outside the trading bloc, or the EU can allow the UK to prosper - weakening EU member states economically and again losing EU jobs.

 

This crisis in global capitalism will mean the EU is weakened no matter the outcome of Brexit. 

 

 

Of course it existed economically pre 73,  it was just getting economically weaker - the "Commonwealth" was going its own way, we no longer had an empire to plunder, as usual British bosses were taking profits rather than re-investing in modern plant.

 

Job losses post Brexit are rather more likely to be in the UK, especially if financial services lose passporting and "just in time" manufacturing gets peed off with delays at the ports and moves to the continent.

 

The EU is better positioned to ride out a global crisis of capitalism than the UK.

 

Keep dreaming of a "British Road to Socialism" 😎

Edited March 1, 2020 by Longcol

[Baron99 798]

"The NHS will not be on the table. The price the NHS pays for drugs will not be on the table," the document says, amongst other areas.

 

Over to you?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51706802

 

 

Edited March 2, 2020 by Baron99

[tinfoilhat 11]

12 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

"The NHS will not be on the table. The price the NHS pays for drugs will not be on the table," the document says, amongst other areas.

 

Over to you?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51706802

 

 

Liz truss is handling negotiations.

 

I'll repeat that, Liz truss is handling negotiations, someone who I wouldn't trust to handle the running of a sandwich van. 

[alchresearch 214]

3 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Liz truss is handling negotiations.

 

I'll repeat that, Liz truss is handling negotiations, someone who I wouldn't trust to handle the running of a sandwich van. 

You can tell:

 

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The UK will aim to lower trade barriers faced by British car manufacturers, ceramics makers and producers of products such as Cheddar cheese, the document adds.

She's obsessed with cheese.

[L00b 441]

18 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

"The NHS will not be on the table. The price the NHS pays for drugs will not be on the table," the document says, amongst other areas.

 

Over to you?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51706802

 

Do you believe Johnson, Hancock, Cummings, Patel, Gove etc. and their ex-Guido Fawkes SPADs?

[Longcol 604]

And the much vaunted free trade deal with the USA will add a whopping 0.16% to GDP - a fraction of our predicted losses from Brexit - estimated at between 4.9% and 7.6%.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/02/uk-says-it-will-not-lower-standards-to-strike-trade-deal-with-trump

 

So we've only got to find another 30 or so countries with as big an economy as the USA and sign free trade deals with them to make good Brexit losses.........................think there might be a slight problem there.