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£106 billion.

 

Wow.

 

 

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It’s been a bad joke from the start

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If we were going to save a hour on a journey instead of fifteen minutes I’d say ok. The UK isn’t big enough to warrant a high speed rail line that will save only a small amount of time. The cost is now becoming ridiculous time to stop.

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11 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

If we were going to save a hour on a journey instead of fifteen minutes I’d say ok. The UK isn’t big enough to warrant a high speed rail line that will save only a small amount of time. The cost is now becoming ridiculous time to stop.

I agree. We have high speed broadband which means business people can communicate face to face instantly.  Concorde hasn't been replaced because there are no longer the same reasons why business people need to get to the other side of the Atlantic Ocean fast.  Time to scale back and make best use of the work and money spent by combining or joining the new infrastructure  with local railway networks.

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11 minutes ago, West 77 said:

I agree. We have high speed broadband which means business people can communicate face to face instantly.  Concorde hasn't been replaced because there are no longer the same reasons why business people need to get to the other side of the Atlantic Ocean fast.  Time to scale back and make best use of the work and money spent by combining or joining the new infrastructure  with local railway networks.

I agree with you.

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Personally I've thought at least £100bn for a few years now, people had been telling me I was just being sensationalist.

 

The latest figure just covers London->Birmingham as well I believe?

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Taking the local tram-train as an example, there are lots of scope for many further increases to the estimates.

 

I wonder how many months, years, decades the completion date will continue to be put back?

 

Has the Crossrail (the Elizabeth Line) opened in London yet and at what budget overrun?

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1 hour ago, geared said:

Personally I've thought at least £100bn for a few years now, people had been telling me I was just being sensationalist.

Apparently it's already cost £8 billion.

£250 million a month.

To put it all in perspective - and assuming my rudimentary maths is right! - the new estimate equates to roughly £15 for every man, woman and child in the UK.

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Disgusting waste of money.   Who wants it anyway ?

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3 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

If we were going to save a hour on a journey instead of fifteen minutes I’d say ok. The UK isn’t big enough to warrant a high speed rail line that will save only a small amount of time. The cost is now becoming ridiculous time to stop.

It's about capacity, not speed.

 

But, frankly that's all a bit irrelevant as I reckon the who thing will go no further than birmingham. Its certainly not going to Leeds.

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A huge mind bending amount of money but as the previous post said it's about capacity not speed. The current network is close to full capacity so if we want to cater for the projected increase in rail freight and passenger traffic in the coming years we need to build something.

Environmentally we need to get vehicles off the road, economically we need faster more reliable connections between our major cities so it will be interesting what they decide to replace it with if its cancelled as they can't just do nothing.

Regional rail links could and should be improved but that doesn't solve the freight issue nationally or connectivity between the regions.

A difficult problem to solve.

 

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Spend it on opening the wood head tunnel with proper trains into Manchester from Sheffield 

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