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1 hour ago, nightrider said:

is there someone to report parking issues to? e.g. around Walkley there are a number of junctions where residents insist on parking right on the corners.....I have seen numerous near miss accidents due to the lack of visibility caused by this bad parking. IIRC the highway code forbids parking near junctions, not sure if this is enforceable or not though?

That would be the Police.

 

The council's civil enforcement officers can only enforce if there is  a restriction in place like a single or double yellow line.

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1 hour ago, Planner1 said:

That would be the Police.

 

The council's civil enforcement officers can only enforce if there is  a restriction in place like a single or double yellow line.

Oh, oh ok. So basically nothing we can do then. I don't believe the police will use resources on this (they would not help when I was burgled).

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18 hours ago, Planner1 said:

That would be the Police.

 

The council's civil enforcement officers can only enforce if there is  a restriction in place like a single or double yellow line.

I can concur with P1, parking wardens can't do anything and the police (if it's obstruction) can't be arsed, therefore the miscreants will almost never get a ticket. There is an junction in Oughtibridge which shows this better than anything. The top of Bedford road where nearly all the vehicles (from loads of houses) turn sharp left down Cockshutts Lane. All that traffic used to get out at the bottom till they (quite rightly) blocked it off for safety reasons. Unfortunately when that happened the council neglected to paint any double yellows  round the aforementioned junction (at the top) which became far busier. Now, if anyone parks near the junction, a relatively frequent occurrence, all the traffic turning left out of Bedford road is having to pull out blind and hope for the best. If they meet another car coming up they then have to reverse back round  a blind band, and if there's  a car behind them that's also pulled out it's absolute carnage. But the council have never put double yellows round that junction despite residents apparently complaining about it for years. All in all it's a classic example of poor planning because those double yellows should have been put down when Bedford Rd was shut off at the bottom, now it probably has to come out of a different budget and will never get done.

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30 minutes ago, Justin Smith said:

I can concur with P1, parking wardens can't do anything and the police (if it's obstruction) can't be arsed, therefore the miscreants will almost never get a ticket. There is an junction in Oughtibridge which shows this better than anything. The top of Bedford road where nearly all the vehicles (from loads of houses) turn sharp left down Cockshutts Lane. All that traffic used to get out at the bottom till they (quite rightly) blocked it off for safety reasons. Unfortunately when that happened the council neglected to paint any double yellows  round the aforementioned junction (at the top) which became far busier. Now, if anyone parks near the junction, a relatively frequent occurrence, all the traffic turning left out of Bedford road is having to pull out blind and hope for the best. If they meet another car coming up they then have to reverse back round  a blind band, and if there's  a car behind them that's also pulled out it's absolute carnage. But the council have never put double yellows round that junction despite residents apparently complaining about it for years. All in all it's a classic example of poor planning because those double yellows should have been put down when Bedford Rd was shut off at the bottom, now it probably has to come out of a different budget and will never get done.

The council tend to not put in restrictions in locations like that if they can avoid it. 
 

Any loss of parking can be very controversial in residential locations like that. Often just as many people are against the imposition of restrictions as are asking for them.

 

They do get a huge number of requests for waiting restrictions and the budget is small. Yellow lines can be a lot more costly than many people think, as they have to be backed up by a legal order which can cost several thousand pounds to advertise and process.

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46 minutes ago, Justin Smith said:

I can concur with P1, parking wardens can't do anything and the police (if it's obstruction) can't be arsed, therefore the miscreants will almost never get a ticket. There is an junction in Oughtibridge which shows this better than anything. The top of Bedford road where nearly all the vehicles (from loads of houses) turn sharp left down Cockshutts Lane. All that traffic used to get out at the bottom till they (quite rightly) blocked it off for safety reasons. Unfortunately when that happened the council neglected to paint any double yellows  round the aforementioned junction (at the top) which became far busier. Now, if anyone parks near the junction, a relatively frequent occurrence, all the traffic turning left out of Bedford road is having to pull out blind and hope for the best. If they meet another car coming up they then have to reverse back round  a blind band, and if there's  a car behind them that's also pulled out it's absolute carnage. But the council have never put double yellows round that junction despite residents apparently complaining about it for years. All in all it's a classic example of poor planning because those double yellows should have been put down when Bedford Rd was shut off at the bottom, now it probably has to come out of a different budget and will never get done.

So in the highway code it already says you cannot park near corners.

 

Does adding the double yellow lines add extra legal weigh to this or its just a reminder to people? What I mean is if they won't want to add lines, could they not anyway just send someone out to ticket all the cars once a month. People would soon get the message.

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1 hour ago, nightrider said:

So in the highway code it already says you cannot park near corners.

 

Does adding the double yellow lines add extra legal weigh to this or its just a reminder to people? What I mean is if they won't want to add lines, could they not anyway just send someone out to ticket all the cars once a month. People would soon get the message.

On a yellow line there is a legal order which can be enforced by the council’s civil enforcement officers, who can issue a legally enforceable penalty. The advice / requirement in the Highway Code is not something they can issue penalties for. Only the police can do that. 

 

The police tend to have other priorities, but might be persuaded to give an issue some attention if enough people complain / request action. Usually best done via the 101 non emergency number or their online reporting form.

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6 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

The police tend to have other priorities, but might be persuaded to give an issue some attention if enough people complain / request action. Usually best done via the 101 non emergency number or their online reporting form.

Or go through your local councillor.   

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3 hours ago, Planner1 said:

The council tend to not put in restrictions in locations like that if they can avoid it. 
 

Any loss of parking can be very controversial in residential locations like that. Often just as many people are against the imposition of restrictions as are asking for them.

 

They do get a huge number of requests for waiting restrictions and the budget is small. Yellow lines can be a lot more costly than many people think, as they have to be backed up by a legal order which can cost several thousand pounds to advertise and process.

But people should not be parking there anyway, quite apart from the safety aspect it's straightforward  obstruction and, if they could be arsed, the police could issue them with a ticket

If you look at a map of western Oughtibridge you will see there are about 4 roads (with around 150 houses on them) which all have to use that tight left hand turn. I think it almost certain that those wanting the double yellows would outnumber those not wanting them by a factor of 10 to 1, or more.

As for the cost, basically the double yellows should have been put in when Bedford Rd was blocked off at the bottom, and the cost accounted for in that scheme. Thus it was bad planning on the part of the council in the first place.

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3 hours ago, Justin Smith said:

But people should not be parking there anyway, quite apart from the safety aspect it's straightforward  obstruction and, if they could be arsed, the police could issue them with a ticket

If you look at a map of western Oughtibridge you will see there are about 4 roads (with around 150 houses on them) which all have to use that tight left hand turn. I think it almost certain that those wanting the double yellows would outnumber those not wanting them by a factor of 10 to 1, or more.

As for the cost, basically the double yellows should have been put in when Bedford Rd was blocked off at the bottom, and the cost accounted for in that scheme. Thus it was bad planning on the part of the council in the first place.

So report them to the police. I am told they might send PCSO’s to take a look if people complain. Online form is usually quickest.

 

20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing. Clearly it wasn’t considered necessary at the time of the closure. Looks like it’s been there a while?

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On 11/01/2020 at 17:48, Justin Smith said:

 

Which are the worst roads in Sheffield for this kind of thing ?
I nominate Arundel Road - Chapeltown.

There is one worse than that in Chapeltown,

 Smith Street in the center of Chapeltown it is a cul de sac which has

a turning circle at the top which has  double yellow line's that people ignore,

you never see a traffic warden, because the car's park nose to tail both

side's of the road only one car at a time can go up or down if there was

a fire the emergency service would be hard pressed to get up this street.

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