Dont Call Jesus 'Our Lord'

[Branyy 10]

17 hours ago, makapaka said:

How would it be inclusive to have some little kids singing the song and some sat not singing it.

 

thats the opposite of inclusive.

Would you force a kid to sing a song if he/she doesn't want to? That's not how inclusion works, does it?

There are only two choices for singing a song - to sing it or not to sing it. It's that simple. You include those who want to sing it and you don't include those that don't want to sing it. Logically, there's no other option. And that's just fair and also  demonstrates perfect equality.

[Guest makapaka]

34 minutes ago, Branyy said:

Would you force a kid to sing a song if he/she doesn't want to? That's not how inclusion works, does it?

There are only two choices for singing a song - to sing it or not to sing it. It's that simple. You include those who want to sing it and you don't include those that don't want to sing it. Logically, there's no other option. And that's just fair and also  demonstrates perfect equality.

No one is being forced to do anything they’ve just changed a word in a song.

 

youve just said there is no other option but to sing it or not sing it - but the whole story is about all the children singing a song with one of the words changed from lord to baby. 
 

So logically there is another option - the one which they’ve taken. 

[Branyy 10]

It is another option but you've essentially created a new song, so it doesn't concern the original song. And it's not the most simple option.

One could argue that by changing one word the song is of different meaning.  What if there's a kid refusing to sing a new song because he/she considers it disrespectful to his/hers beliefs?

[Guest makapaka]

44 minutes ago, Branyy said:

It is another option but you've essentially created a new song, so it doesn't concern the original song. And it's not the most simple option.

One could argue that by changing one word the song is of different meaning.  What if there's a kid refusing to sing a new song because he/she considers it disrespectful to his/hers beliefs?

You can keep adding as many new potential complexities as you like but that hasn’t happened.

 

they changed the name from lord to baby and all the kids sang it.

 

whats complicated or wrong about that.

 

 

[Branyy 10]

47 minutes ago, makapaka said:

You can keep adding as many new potential complexities as you like but that hasn’t happened.

 

they changed the name from lord to baby and all the kids sang it.

 

whats complicated or wrong about that.

 

 

I'd say that changing the lyrics is added complexity. It's not rational approach.

[Guest makapaka]

Imagine the likely conversation in the staff room;

 

“Christmas carol day today - we’ve some  (Muslim / Hindu / whatever) kids in the class - maybe we shouldn’t ask them to say ”lord Jesus ”- they might not consider him to be - well just change it to “baby”

 

”yes - ok”

 

now lets see how your Idea would pan out;

 

“Christmas carol day today - we’ve some  (Muslim / Hindu / whatever) kids in the class - we’ll ask them if they want to sing ”lord Jesus” and if they don’t or they’re unsure we’ll sit them at one side whilst all the other kids sing lord Jesus”

 

”but what about just saying “baby Jesus?“

 

”absolutely not - that’s not a logical option - they’ll either sing it or not sing it at all. That’s fair and also demonstrates inclusion and equality “

 

Daft eh?

[bendix 10]

On ‎18‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 11:55, Daven said:

Christmas is a Christian celebration.

Those of other faiths may learn more about the Christian faith by studying and maybe singing Christmas Carols but the words shouldn't be changed.

No it isn't.  Christmas is a pagan celebration.

[lottiecass 17]

How about taking all religion out of schools , including carols, it would save any argument.

[Delayed 461]

1 hour ago, lottiecass said:

How about taking all religion out of schools , including carols, it would save any argument.

Excellent suggestion, I wonder why it's not been suggested already?

 

Let's take Foreign Languages, Sports, Geography and History out of schools too

[lottiecass 17]

Just now, Delayed said:

Excellent suggestion, I wonder why it's not been suggested already?

 

Let's take Foreign Languages, Sports, Geography and History out of schools too

Nobody is arguing about those subjects.

[Delayed 461]

1 minute ago, lottiecass said:

Nobody is arguing about those subjects.

Point is just because you don't like religion, it shouldn't be taken out of the curriculum.  People still need to learn about religion whether they choose to believe or not.

[lottiecass 17]

So singing religious songs should be compulsory? even having to change words in them to placate other religions, it's lunacy.