General Election 2019 - Results Thread.

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2 hours ago, the_bloke said:

I keep seeing and hearing Lib Dem supporting friends bemoaning the FPTP system and proposing PR instead. This makes sense for the Lib Dems, as it meant in 2019 they would actually have won 70 seats instead of 11 and I can understand their argument. I then point out using the same system the Brexit Party would have got 10 seats instead of none and they seem to go a bit quiet.

Lib Dem supporters I know are in favour of PR despite knowing the Brexit party would benefit from it. Don't forget, it would mean Farage would have to face some accountability as he would have a voting record in parliament (people ignored what he actually voted for in the EU). Both Labour and the Conservatives are guilty of taking their supporters in their own safe constituencies for granted and ignoring the needs of those in other parties' safe seats. PR would at least force them to fight over every vote.

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1 hour ago, altus said:

Lib Dem supporters I know are in favour of PR despite knowing the Brexit party would benefit from it. Don't forget, it would mean Farage would have to face some accountability as he would have a voting record in parliament (people ignored what he actually voted for in the EU). Both Labour and the Conservatives are guilty of taking their supporters in their own safe constituencies for granted and ignoring the needs of those in other parties' safe seats. PR would at least force them to fight over every vote.

I worked out some PR figures last Monday - see post #215.

 

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On 21/12/2019 at 20:41, altus said:

Lib Dem supporters I know are in favour of PR despite knowing the Brexit party would benefit from it. Don't forget, it would mean Farage would have to face some accountability as he would have a voting record in parliament (people ignored what he actually voted for in the EU). Both Labour and the Conservatives are guilty of taking their supporters in their own safe constituencies for granted and ignoring the needs of those in other parties' safe seats. PR would at least force them to fight over every vote.

Lib Dems were always supporters of PR and Clegg was as well. Unfortunately they lost their chance when the coalition agreed to have a referendum on the AV vote instead.

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On 17/12/2019 at 15:12, West 77 said:

The BBC had a film crew in a Maltby charity shop on Friday morning and everyone they interviewed had voted Tory.  Their former MP was Caroline Flint who I think is the best female to lead the Labour Party.  Caroline Flint is the only former Labour MP I have sympathy for who lost their seat.

 

The Labour party could do worse than choosing Stephen Kinnock as their next leader.

What about Dennis Skinner? He designated his life to helping folk in Bolsover, he even gave up his wages for miners wife fund during strikes, and the folk he'd represented for decades savagely  betrayed him.

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West 77 is wrong with his statement that Caroline Flint was the MP in Maltby. It was Sir Kevin Barron who retired after representing Rother Valley for 36 years.

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On 17/12/2019 at 15:12, West 77 said:

The BBC had a film crew in a Maltby charity shop on Friday morning and everyone they interviewed had voted Tory.  Their former MP was Caroline Flint who I think is the best female to lead the Labour Party.  Caroline Flint is the only former Labour MP I have sympathy for who lost their seat.

 

The Labour party could do worse than choosing Stephen Kinnock as their next leader.

What about Dennis Skinner? He  was savagely betrayed by the folk in Bolsover he'd devoted his life to helping. He even gave a years wages to Miners Welfare Funds to support the strikers.

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53 minutes ago, 26b-6 said:

What about Dennis Skinner? He  was savagely betrayed by the folk in Bolsover he'd devoted his life to helping. He even gave a years wages to Miners Welfare Funds to support the strikers.

Swings and roundabouts as Skinner got his money from the public in the first place.

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8 hours ago, apelike said:

Swings and roundabouts as Skinner got his money from the public in the first place.

You could partially make that claim of just about anyone. Tesco make plenty of profit from public service workers, for example.

 

The origin of Skinner’s money is irrelevant in this case. What he chose to do with it is much more important.

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25 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

You could partially make that claim of just about anyone. Tesco make plenty of profit from public service workers, for example.

 

The origin of Skinner’s money is irrelevant in this case. What he chose to do with it is much more important.

You could also argue that public sector workers are paid from the taxation of everyone else.

 

i do agree with you regarding Dennis though, a rare breed of politician, an honest one.

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10 hours ago, 26b-6 said:

What about Dennis Skinner? He  was savagely betrayed by the folk in Bolsover he'd devoted his life to helping. He even gave a years wages to Miners Welfare Funds to support the strikers.

“Eaten bread is soon forgotten”.

 

And never sooner than by the entitled sort.

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11 hours ago, 26b-6 said:

What about Dennis Skinner? He  was savagely betrayed by the folk in Bolsover he'd devoted his life to helping. He even gave a years wages to Miners Welfare Funds to support the strikers.

I’m not a socialist and disagreed with a lot of his  politics. But I liked the way he went about things. He wasn’t afraid to argue his case against anyone whether it was the conservatives or Labour you couldn’t help but admire him. Parliament will be a poorer place without him.

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15 minutes ago, West 77 said:

The winning Tory candidate in Bolsover said that there wasn't a street he walked down in Bolsover  where someone didn't tell him how Dennis Skinner had helped them.  It wasn't the folk in Bolsover who betrayed Dennis Skinner because it was the Labour Party who betrayed leave voters which is why they lost so many traditional Labour seats.  The folk in Bolsover carried on supporting Dennis Skinner for many years after he had told everyone a man should retire at 65 to make way for a younger man.

Totally agree.