General Election 2019 - Results Thread.

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8 minutes ago, RiffRaff said:

Listening to reports about the climate conference in Spain, I have to admit to smiling at the quip that the UK was already "Corbyn neutral"...

Yup - but it's gone Toxic Tory.

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12 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

read page 14 post 168 by Michael W

 

Some good points, and you might learn why all this (in here too) has put the Tories in.

What good points should these be, then?

 

That anti-intellectualism could be overcome with empathy and fact-splaining?

 

That herd mentality could be stemmed with cold logic?

 

That conciliatory approach didn't work pre-referendum, hasn't worked since then, and there is not the least bit of suggestion that it will work anytime soon.

 

So you and Michael W and other assorted excuse-seeking posters will kindly excuse me if, now in the end, l'm having a good old laugh at the Xmas-voting turkeys as they file into the slaughterhouse, after so many others and I spent the better part of 3+ years patiently rinsing them in historical and legal facts, besides evidence-based consequences, many of which  have already come to pass.

 

The turkeys were, and evidently still are, tired of experts trying to explain Xmas to them. Well, Johnson and his festive diner friends can have their way with them now. They must know what they voted for : after all, they voted for Xmas not once, not twice, but thrice!

 

Those 50k nurses that Johnson promised? It's actually 31k (est.), they'll not be on station for another 10 years yet, and meanwhile the government hasn't got the first clue how it's going to replace the 19k nurses (est.) that have left, nor stem the ongoing tide of Brexoding EU27 NHS staff. All that, from a Tory Minister 3 weeks ago. And yet, 12 December came and went.

 

I'll never tire of saying it: you cannot help people, who refuse to help themselves. So now please Brexit at long last, carry your cross for a few years (in the hope that a living experience may open your eyes, if experts cannot), then let's reconsider once you've equipped yourselves with a functioning opposition and ditched the FPTP.

Edited December 16, 2019 by L00b

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39 minutes ago, L00b said:

What good points should these be, then?

 

That anti-intellectualism could be overcome with empathy and fact-splaining?

 

That herd mentality could be stemmed with cold logic?

 

That conciliatory approach didn't work pre-referendum, hasn't worked since then, and there is not the least bit of suggestion that it will work anytime soon.

 

So you and Michael W and other assorted excuse-seeking posters will kindly excuse me if, now in the end, l'm having a good old laugh at the Xmas-voting turkeys as they file into the slaughterhouse, after so many others and I spent the better part of 3+ years patiently rinsing them in historical and legal facts, besides evidence-based consequences, many of which  have already come to pass.

 

The turkeys were, and evidently still are, tired of experts trying to explain Xmas to them. Well, Johnson and his festive diner friends can have their way with them now. They must know what they voted for : after all, they voted for Xmas not once, not twice, but thrice!

 

Those 50k nurses that Johnson promised? It's actually 31k (est.), they'll not be on station for another 10 years yet, and meanwhile the government hasn't got the first clue how it's going to replace the 19k nurses (est.) that have left, nor stem the ongoing tide of Brexoding EU27 NHS staff. All that, from a Tory Minister 3 weeks ago. And yet, 12 December came and went.

 

I'll never tire of saying it: you cannot help people, who refuse to help themselves. So now please Brexit at long last, carry your cross for a few years (in the hope that a living experience may open your eyes, if experts cannot), then let's reconsider once you've equipped yourselves with a functioning opposition and ditched the FPTP.

You sound like a turkey that's jumped out of the oven into the fire, best of luck with the failing EU.

[Guest makapaka]

On 14/12/2019 at 08:03, DerbyTup said:

We somehow seem to have created a Britain where minority groups are so vocal that one could be forgiven for thinking they are the majority. 

And what?

 

so if you’re in a minority group you can’t be as vocal as those in the majority group.

 

is that because your views don’t matter as much?
 

i would say that a country that allows minority groups to be heard as much as the majority  would be something to aspire to - not criticise.

 

what an ignorant comment. 

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15 minutes ago, retep said:

You sound like a turkey that's jumped out of the oven into the fire, best of luck with the failing EU.

retep, ever the perfect counterpoint to Michael W's argument in that post.

 

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7 minutes ago, L00b said:

retep, ever the perfect counterpoint to Michael W's argument in that post.

 

L00b the turkey who depends on the UK for it's dinner.

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45 minutes ago, makapaka said:

And what?

 

so if you’re in a minority group you can’t be as vocal as those in the majority group.

 

is that because your views don’t matter as much?
 

i would say that a country that allows minority groups to be heard as much as the majority  would be something to aspire to - not criticise.

 

what an ignorant comment. 

What he is saying, is that in this election the minority groups - read far left Labour activists - have shouted so loud (especially on social media) they couldn't hear the majority so assumed they were the majority.

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1 hour ago, retep said:

L00b the turkey who depends on the UK for it's dinner.

'depends on the UK' is highly inaccurate, since I brexoded precisely to sever that relationship, which was turning abusive. As you well know of course, and from a long date.

 

Much more accurate nowadays, would be to say that I "steal all the UK service business going due to Brexit uncertainty" 

 

It's very far from a relationship of dependency, as you can imagine: that business is leaving the UK regardless (Brexit outside EEA= zero market access for UK competitors), so it's just grabbing work, profits and jobs into the EU out of the UK early, in competition with fellow EU27 competitors all piling on that UK service business bonanza.

 

"Brexit dividend", I think some Tory Ministers called it. And thanks to voters, coming in still larger in 2020.

 

Yours truly delighted, etc, etc.

Edited December 16, 2019 by L00b

[Guest makapaka]

28 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

What he is saying, is that in this election the minority groups - read far left Labour activists - have shouted so loud (especially on social media) they couldn't hear the majority so assumed they were the majority.

No they’re weren’t - he was talking about the lgbt community initially - see below

 

“I think you summed that up perfectly.  You missed out the LGBTQVWXYZ stuff, but that's o.k.  It's all part of it.  We somehow seem to have created a Britain where minority groups are so vocal that one could be forgiven for thinking they are the majority. “ 

 

and then just went on to minority groups in general and daft things about blokes with beards wearing dresses and peeing in front of girls.

 

Edited December 16, 2019 by makapaka

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5 minutes ago, L00b said:

'depends on the UK' is highly inaccurate, since I brexoded precisely to sever that relationship, which was turning abusive. As you well know of course, and from a long date.

 

Much more accurate nowadays, would be to say that I "steal all the UK service business going due to Brexit uncertainty" 

 

It's very far from a relationship of dependency, as you can imagine: that business is leaving the UK regardless (Brexit outside EEA= zero market access for UK competitors), so it's just grabbing work, profits and jobs into the EU out of the UK early, in competition with fellow EU27 competitors all piling on that UK service business bonanza.

 

"Brexit dividend", I think some Tory Ministers called it. And thanks to voters, coming in still larger in 2020.

 

Yours truly delighted, etc, etc.

Steal what you can while you can you'll need  it, from scrounger to thief eh! and cheek to call the provider a turkey.

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2 hours ago, L00b said:

What good points should these be, then?

 

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So you and Michael W and other assorted excuse-seeking posters will kindly excuse me if, now in the end, l'm having a good old laugh at the Xmas-voting turkeys as they file into the slaughterhouse, after so many others and I spent the better part of 3+ years patiently rinsing them in historical and legal facts, besides evidence-based consequences, many of which  have already come to pass.

 

The turkeys were, and evidently still are, tired of experts trying to explain Xmas to them. Well, Johnson and his festive diner friends can have their way with them now. They must know what they voted for : after all, they voted for Xmas not once, not twice, but thrice!

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Is it not a fact that sort of attitude particularly amongst arrogant middle class socialists has itself been the downfall of Labour with many  working class voters in recent years ?

Next part, here we go again with the Turkeys voting for Christmas. Posters on here seem to have some kind of insult everyone you don't agree with form of Tourettes syndrome.

 

I didn't vote Tory btw. Not after what they done to my industry.

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2 hours ago, L00b said:

Those 50k nurses that Johnson promised? It's actually 31k (est.), they'll not be on station for another 10 years yet, and meanwhile the government hasn't got the first clue how it's going to replace the 19k nurses (est.) that have left, nor stem the ongoing tide of Brexoding EU27 NHS staff. All that, from a Tory Minister 3 weeks ago. And yet, 12 December came and went.

 

I'll never tire of saying it: you cannot help people, who refuse to help themselves.

I also wouldn't vote for pouring more billions more money into the NHS, so that was all the main parties out.

 

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Furthermore if the search facility on this forum worked, I'll post you some of my comments from years ago.

May 15th 2015 Labour Party all discussions here (old thread not current one) #704

 

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Labour is dead. No good new candidates, none of them. With more cuts inevitable, the next Labour should waltz into PM, but as it is, looking at 2 more terms at least. Labour need someone like Sturgeon (perhaps prescott with brains

I also posted about labour strongholds getting weaker (quite a long post - shame I can't post a screen shot since I can't find the post to link it

(and the quote facility is rubbish on new software)

 

Amazing that us so called thicko turkeys predict things correctly.

 

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We'll have to wait and see now what happens with brexit. So far things haven't collapsed as been posted non-stop for over 3 and half years in here. I predicted this would happen at first, but still no sign of it. See what happens in January. It's out of our hands.

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16 minutes ago, *_ash_* said:

Next part, here we go again with the Turkeys voting for Christmas. Posters on here seem to have some kind of insult everyone you don't agree with form of Tourettes syndrome.

There's certainly a strong smug superiority complex with a  couple of posters on here.