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General Election 12 December.

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This is NOT to become a second Brexit thread.

Thank you.

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1 hour ago, apelike said:

I have and can see Russians now based in the UK giving money but can't see where there is Russian money or any source for that claim. As you have said it's a matter of public record and that shows Russian oligarchs have given donations to the Conservative but the donations have not come from Russia. Russian oligarchs have also bought companies and football teams in the UK and the US as well.

 

Don't forget that it was you who stated it was Russian money.

What a load of nonsense.

 

Where do you suppose the Russian oligarchs got their money?

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1 hour ago, apelike said:

The utilities were in state ownership so Thatcher being in charge of the country and state by proxy had the the power to make the decisions to sell them off. 

 

 

 

Public ownership. Thatcher may have had the power to sell off our Utilities, but did she have the right to do it? 

Half the country were Labour and didn't want them sold off.  (Brexit all over again...)  And as per the Tories the long term implications were covered up.

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Public ownership. Thatcher may have had the power to sell off our Utilities, but did she have the right to do it? 

Half the country were Labour and didn't want them sold off.  (Brexit all over again...)  And as per the Tories the long term implications were covered up.

You should be asking better questions instead of sheer nonsense.  The answer is YES, the governement of the day had every right to do as they please with governement owned enterprises.  Roll forward to today, that even includes, believe it or not, the NHS.

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1 hour ago, Albert the Cat said:

You should be asking better questions instead of sheer nonsense.  The answer is YES, the governement of the day had every right to do as they please with governement owned enterprises.  Roll forward to today, that even includes, believe it or not, the NHS.

  So in spite of his many and varied reassurances that 'the NHS is not for sale,' if Boris has lied through his teeth to win the election, (imagine that...)  there is no redress when he actually sells it? 

 

Thanks for spelling that out for people.

 

So much for Democracy. What has our political system become?

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3 hours ago, Pettytom said:

What a load of nonsense.

No, the nonsense is trying to blame everything you don't like that is happening on the Russians.

 

3 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Where do you suppose the Russian oligarchs got their money?

From a British bank or do you think they paid in Roubles? Many British people here have made money abroad and yet donated. Many US owned corporations and very rich US businessmen also gave money to the remain camp but does that matter? All that matters is it was not illegal to do so and was declared in accordance to the laws laid out. 

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9 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

Why do you think the Russians want Brexit?

I never said "Russians" wanted Brexit. Why would you just randomly say that? Bizarre...

 

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2 hours ago, Anna B said:

  So in spite of his many and varied reassurances that 'the NHS is not for sale,' if Boris has lied through his teeth to win the election, (imagine that...)  there is no redress when he actually sells it? 

 

Thanks for spelling that out for people.

 

So much for Democracy. What has our political system become?

We are in a bit of a dichotomy here. Manifesto promises are not legally binding as has been evidenced by challenging this premise in the courts previously.

However, if a proposal is in a manifesto, then if the party gets in, it can say it has been given a mandate to deliver on its manifesto promises.

 

Therefore our democratic government (quite often elected with less than 50% of the electorate supporting them) has the freedom to prmise the world and only deliver on what it wants.

 

See ad nauseum the last few parliaments - Tory lies, Tory lies, coalition lies, Labour lies...

 

But... at least the previous Tory and Labour lies weren't delivered by a lying, cheating racist, sexist PM like the one we have at the moment (or the spineless liar Nick Clegg)!

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2 hours ago, crookesjoe said:

I never said "Russians" wanted Brexit. Why would you just randomly say that? Bizarre...

 

Although I am pretty sure that Putin would prefer a disunited European bloc than a United one.

Thats not to particularly criticise him because divide and conquer has been used throughout history by all factions.

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57 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Although I am pretty sure that Putin would prefer a disunited European bloc than a United one.

Thats not to particularly criticise him because divide and conquer has been used throughout history by all factions.

That doesn't make any sense sorry. What are you trying to say?

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35 minutes ago, crookesjoe said:

That doesn't make any sense sorry. What are you trying to say?

Pretty straightforward comment.

No faux fancy vernacular to confuse anyone.

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2 hours ago, Litotes said:

We are in a bit of a dichotomy here. Manifesto promises are not legally binding as has been evidenced by challenging this premise in the courts previously.

However, if a proposal is in a manifesto, then if the party gets in, it can say it has been given a mandate to deliver on its manifesto promises.

 

Therefore our democratic government (quite often elected with less than 50% of the electorate supporting them) has the freedom to prmise the world and only deliver on what it wants.

 

See ad nauseum the last few parliaments - Tory lies, Tory lies, coalition lies, Labour lies...

 

But... at least the previous Tory and Labour lies weren't delivered by a lying, cheating racist, sexist PM like the one we have at the moment (or the spineless liar Nick Clegg)!

I think the difference here is that Jeremy Corbyn has not changed his stance since he first became Labour Leader, and his manifesto is in line with his core beliefs, so I believe he will do his best to deliver.

 

Boris Johnson on the other hand has suddenly promised the earth simply because an election is in the offing, not before. None of it is in line with his core beliefs so I don't believe a word of it. I think if he wins he will continue with austerity and, if he gets a majority, Brexit will be his excuse. 

 

When you consider we are expected to chose a party based on their manifestos, you have to be able to trust them, otherwise what's the point?

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The Big Six energy companies and the water companies need to be nationalised NOW.

 

Public ownership NOT private profit.

 

Only ONE political party will end the exploitation of the poor. 

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