General Election 12 December.

[Litotes 63]

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

  So in spite of his many and varied reassurances that 'the NHS is not for sale,' if Boris has lied through his teeth to win the election, (imagine that...)  there is no redress when he actually sells it? 

 

Thanks for spelling that out for people.

 

So much for Democracy. What has our political system become?

We are in a bit of a dichotomy here. Manifesto promises are not legally binding as has been evidenced by challenging this premise in the courts previously.

However, if a proposal is in a manifesto, then if the party gets in, it can say it has been given a mandate to deliver on its manifesto promises.

 

Therefore our democratic government (quite often elected with less than 50% of the electorate supporting them) has the freedom to prmise the world and only deliver on what it wants.

 

See ad nauseum the last few parliaments - Tory lies, Tory lies, coalition lies, Labour lies...

 

But... at least the previous Tory and Labour lies weren't delivered by a lying, cheating racist, sexist PM like the one we have at the moment (or the spineless liar Nick Clegg)!

[RJRB 688]

2 hours ago, crookesjoe said:

I never said "Russians" wanted Brexit. Why would you just randomly say that? Bizarre...

 

Although I am pretty sure that Putin would prefer a disunited European bloc than a United one.

Thats not to particularly criticise him because divide and conquer has been used throughout history by all factions.

Edited December 8, 2019 by RJRB

[crookesjoe 10]

57 minutes ago, RJRB said:

Although I am pretty sure that Putin would prefer a disunited European bloc than a United one.

Thats not to particularly criticise him because divide and conquer has been used throughout history by all factions.

That doesn't make any sense sorry. What are you trying to say?

[RJRB 688]

35 minutes ago, crookesjoe said:

That doesn't make any sense sorry. What are you trying to say?

Pretty straightforward comment.

No faux fancy vernacular to confuse anyone.

[Anna B 1,401]

2 hours ago, Litotes said:

We are in a bit of a dichotomy here. Manifesto promises are not legally binding as has been evidenced by challenging this premise in the courts previously.

However, if a proposal is in a manifesto, then if the party gets in, it can say it has been given a mandate to deliver on its manifesto promises.

 

Therefore our democratic government (quite often elected with less than 50% of the electorate supporting them) has the freedom to prmise the world and only deliver on what it wants.

 

See ad nauseum the last few parliaments - Tory lies, Tory lies, coalition lies, Labour lies...

 

But... at least the previous Tory and Labour lies weren't delivered by a lying, cheating racist, sexist PM like the one we have at the moment (or the spineless liar Nick Clegg)!

I think the difference here is that Jeremy Corbyn has not changed his stance since he first became Labour Leader, and his manifesto is in line with his core beliefs, so I believe he will do his best to deliver.

 

Boris Johnson on the other hand has suddenly promised the earth simply because an election is in the offing, not before. None of it is in line with his core beliefs so I don't believe a word of it. I think if he wins he will continue with austerity and, if he gets a majority, Brexit will be his excuse. 

 

When you consider we are expected to chose a party based on their manifestos, you have to be able to trust them, otherwise what's the point?

Edited December 8, 2019 by Anna B

[Car Boot 10]

The Big Six energy companies and the water companies need to be nationalised NOW.

 

Public ownership NOT private profit.

 

Only ONE political party will end the exploitation of the poor. 

[alchresearch 214]

15 hours ago, Anna B said:

  So in spite of his many and varied reassurances that 'the NHS is not for sale,' if Boris has lied through his teeth to win the election, (imagine that...)  there is no redress when he actually sells it? 

What about the old lie that Labour have been bandying about for decades - "Tories want to privatise the NHS". "Tories want to get rid of the NHS" and so on?  Selling it to the USA is just another.

[L00b 441]

So, last straight before the poll on Thursday, and what should the Conservatives turn to? A bit of immigrant bashing, of course.

EU migrants have been able to “treat the UK as if it’s part of their own country” for too long, Boris Johnson said yesterday as he reprised the core message of Vote Leave’s 2016 EU referendum campaign.

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1203922486968147969

 

Such a classy look, UK.

Edited December 9, 2019 by L00b

[melthebell 862]

30 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

What about the old lie that Labour have been bandying about for decades - "Tories want to privatise the NHS". "Tories want to get rid of the NHS" and so on?  Selling it to the USA is just another.

Think you need to watch a few interview clips from the past few years, it has been mentioned and not by labour, farage and Trump have both mentioned wanting to privatise it to mention 2

[Flanker7 20]

The papers - 5-2 to the Conservatives yet again.

Spoiler

 

The Times - “Johnson to blitz seats in Labour heartlands” 

 The Telegraph has “Corbyn will betray Brexit, says Johnson as he takes fight to Labour’s heartlands”.

The Mail goes with “PM blasts Labour Brexit betrayal”  

The Express says “Boris: the last chance to save Brexit and Britain.

The Sun also has a one-word headline – “Nightmare” – leading a “special report” into Labour’s policies.

 

The Guardian takes a different angle – “Corbyn in last-ditch drive to focus on voters’ finances” – as does

The Mirror - “Desperate” over a picture of a young boy being treated on a hospital floor because of a lack of beds.

The Scotsman has “Labour opens door to deal for IndyRef2 after election”.

 

The FT diverges with “Beijing orders removal of foreign PCs and software”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/09/monday-briefing-parties-deliver-final-pitches-in-last-stretch-of-campaign

 

*- the spoiler is a mistake, sorry.

Edited December 9, 2019 by Flanker7

[Michael_W 11]

53 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

The papers - 5-2 to the Conservatives yet again.

  Reveal spoiler

 

The Times - “Johnson to blitz seats in Labour heartlands” 

 The Telegraph has “Corbyn will betray Brexit, says Johnson as he takes fight to Labour’s heartlands”.

The Mail goes with “PM blasts Labour Brexit betrayal”  

The Express says “Boris: the last chance to save Brexit and Britain.

The Sun also has a one-word headline – “Nightmare” – leading a “special report” into Labour’s policies.

 

The Guardian takes a different angle – “Corbyn in last-ditch drive to focus on voters’ finances” – as does

The Mirror - “Desperate” over a picture of a young boy being treated on a hospital floor because of a lack of beds.

The Scotsman has “Labour opens door to deal for IndyRef2 after election”.

 

The FT diverges with “Beijing orders removal of foreign PCs and software”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/09/monday-briefing-parties-deliver-final-pitches-in-last-stretch-of-campaign

 

*- the spoiler is a mistake, sorry.

You forgot the Independant and the leftist social media stuff in your desperation to prove some point about bias, there has always been bias and there always will, even on here, you won't change certain peoples views and they won't change yours !

[Anna B 1,401]

1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

What about the old lie that Labour have been bandying about for decades - "Tories want to privatise the NHS". "Tories want to get rid of the NHS" and so on?  Selling it to the USA is just another.

Not a lie, it's already happening'thanks to the Conservatives.

 

Whole Areas are already privatised. Home health care, for example, is already dependent on an underfunded army of exploited home carers who are paid minimum wage, (that's less than the old person pays to the care company,) and have too little time per person to do the job properly. Care homes are another area that has fallen to privatisation, hence the average, extortionate £800 per week for minimal care costs which means people have to sell their homes to pay for it. Care companies should not be about making a profit out of old, infirm or disabled people, it should not be part of the system.