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This is NOT to become a second Brexit thread.

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1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said:

How do you know it doesn't? Ring round some of the independent care homes, the ones with waiting lists. Ask them why it costs so much.

waste of time asking.

 

Some members don't understand costs. Probably never ran own business.

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14 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

waste of time asking.

 

Some members don't understand costs. Probably never ran own business.

And it won't sink in.  In a few weeks time they'll be repeating the same old rubbish again.

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1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

And it won't sink in.  In a few weeks time they'll be repeating the same old rubbish again.

Not rubbish for those who have had to sell everything they've worked all their lives for, to pay to sit drooling in a chair. 

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On 28/11/2019 at 22:21, Mister M said:

"The Conservative Party has written to broadcasting regulator Ofcom accusing Channel 4 of breaking its codes by depriving the Tories of any representation at the debate.

The party calls the "empty chairing" of Mr Johnson - and his replacement with an ice sculpture - a "provocative partisan stunt, which would itself constitute making a political opinion in its own right," something the Tory letter argues is against the broadcasting code.

"It is clear that denying the Conservative Party any opportunity to contribute to this cross-party event is unfair and breaches the requirements to 'preserve' impartiality and does not offer an 'appropriately wide range of significant views' to the public," the letter adds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50592259

 

I think if it were Jeremy Corbyn who threatened not to renew the broadcasting licence of Channel 4 news because he didn't want to do a leader's debate, people in the press (and on here I'm sure) would be making comparisons with communist Russia or China, at the very least they would be calling him a coward. Yet I'm pretty sure that the press tomorrow would not give it the same prominence had it been Corbyn.

Just imagine the headlines

Ha ha ha.

OFCOM have ruled that Channel 4 said the broadcaster was fair in the face of Tory threats.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-ice-sculpture-channel-4-leaders-climate-debate-ofcom-complaint-a9230716.html

 

Channel 4 setting an example to the cowardly and craven lickspittle BBC.

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1 hour ago, Mister M said:

OFCOM have ruled that Channel 4 said the broadcaster was fair in the face of Tory threats..

That was always going to happen.

 

Channel Four fulfilled their regulatory requirement by inviting all major party leaders. They can’t force Bozo to attend therefore the responsibility for there being no Conservative representation during the debate rests squarely with the Conservative Party.

 

Complaining to OFCOM just makes them look stupid and reinforces the idea that they have a sense of entitlement above other sections of society.

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2 hours ago, Mister M said:

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Channel 4 setting an example to the cowardly and craven lickspittle BBC.

About that...have you seen the recent satirical cartoon in a Dutch newspaper (3rd or 4th most read) doing the rounds on social media?

 

'Brutal' isn't quite the word :o

 

Then again, witnessing what's going on in the UK from afar (i.e. out of range of the campaigning-by-megaphone) is just like witnessing the Brexit debacle from afar: looking at the slow death of British democracy, one jaw-dropping moment after another.

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1 hour ago, L00b said:

About that...have you seen the recent satirical cartoon in a Dutch newspaper (3rd or 4th most read) doing the rounds on social media?

 

'Brutal' isn't quite the word :o

 

Then again, witnessing what's going on in the UK from afar (i.e. out of range of the campaigning-by-megaphone) is just like witnessing the Brexit debacle from afar: looking at the slow death of British democracy, one jaw-dropping moment after another.

Easily found on Twitter for those that want a look. It’s strong stuff and makes me very sad at what we’ve become.

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For those of you who don't read all the papers. This is taken from the Guardian daily briefing. Its clear that the more muted headlines from the left are in a different league to the rabid, rable rousing, hectoring of the right. By my scoring, on the headlines alone, its 4-3 to the right. With the Mail taking a day off. (sort of!)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/04/wednesday-briefing-labour-plan-is-money-in-your-pocket-mcdonnell

The papers

What Donald Trump said about the NHS, and whether you’d believe him, is the theme today. The Sun’s position seems to be that if the president said it, it must be true: “Trump thumps chump over NHS lies”. “I wouldn’t want NHS on silver platter” says the Express. “We have no interest in the NHS” is the Telegraph’s splash headline.

The Guardian reports that the Labour leader intends to press the president over his trade machinations. The paper’s headline is “Corbyn ups pressure over NHS as Trump rows back”. The Metro splashes with “Corbyn casts doubt on Trump’s NHS pledge” and adds in a subhead that Tories admit medicines from US drug companies could cost more after Brexit. “We’ll force tech firms to pay more, says PM” is the take in the Times on Boris Johnson’s pledge to have the Googles and the Facebooks of the world make a “fairer contribution”, which the paper says runs the risk of a rift with Trump who has threatened France with tariffs for doing the same.

The Mail sounds the alarm bell over a “Deadly gamble on our health” as an NHS report ties online betting in with social scourges including heavy drinking, obesity and chronic disease. “Labour to put £6,176 in your pocket” says the Mirror as it tots up the benefits of Corbyn’s plans to end “rip-off Britain”.

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10 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

For those of you who don't read all the papers. This is taken from the Guardian daily briefing. Its clear that the more muted headlines from the left are in a different league to the rabid, rable rousing, hectoring of the right. By my scoring, on the headlines alone, its 4-3 to the right. With the Mail taking a day off.

 

The papers

What Donald Trump said about the NHS, and whether you’d believe him, is the theme today. The Sun’s position seems to be that if the president said it, it must be true: “Trump thumps chump over NHS lies”. “I wouldn’t want NHS on silver platter” says the Express. “We have no interest in the NHS” is the Telegraph’s splash headline.

The Guardian reports that the Labour leader intends to press the president over his trade machinations. The paper’s headline is “Corbyn ups pressure over NHS as Trump rows back”. The Metro splashes with “Corbyn casts doubt on Trump’s NHS pledge” and adds in a subhead that Tories admit medicines from US drug companies could cost more after Brexit. “We’ll force tech firms to pay more, says PM” is the take in the Times on Boris Johnson’s pledge to have the Googles and the Facebooks of the world make a “fairer contribution”, which the paper says runs the risk of a rift with Trump who has threatened France with tariffs for doing the same.

The Mail sounds the alarm bell over a “Deadly gamble on our health” as an NHS report ties online betting in with social scourges including heavy drinking, obesity and chronic disease. “Labour to put £6,176 in your pocket” says the Mirror as it tots up the benefits of Corbyn’s plans to end “rip-off Britain”.

It'll be interesting to see how Labour are going to put £6,176 into peoples pocket.

 

 

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17 hours ago, L00b said:

About that...have you seen the recent satirical cartoon in a Dutch newspaper (3rd or 4th most read) doing the rounds on social media?

 

'Brutal' isn't quite the word :o

 

Then again, witnessing what's going on in the UK from afar (i.e. out of range of the campaigning-by-megaphone) is just like witnessing the Brexit debacle from afar: looking at the slow death of British democracy, one jaw-dropping moment after another.

Ah, the slow death of British democracy is because there is no respect for the  referendum result of June 2016, therefore there is no respect for democracy itself.

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55 minutes ago, BoroB said:

It'll be interesting to see how Labour are going to put £6,176 into peoples pocket.

 

 

Ah, the £7000 a year better off.  I don't know where they got their figures from, but I can't see energy prices slashed in half.

 

They claim the free broadband will save people £364.  I have basic 20Mb Sky Broadband (BT Line) and that's only £19 a month. It goes up to £21 every so often but I play the "i'm going to cancel" game and it gets dropped.

 

The rest is all generic stuff - "expanding free childcare, cutting rail ticket prices, introducing free prescriptions and free school meals" would allegedly would save around £5,500 in total.

 

I don't use childcare

I don't need free prescriptions

I don't need free school meals

 

In the meantime, I'm sure their financial penalties on the fuel companies and the robbing of the VED pot to pay for trains will mean I pay more.

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55 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Ah, the slow death of British democracy is because there is no respect for the  referendum result of June 2016, therefore there is no respect for democracy itself.

Why should there be any respect for it? If a majority of people voted to jump off a cliff would you follow them?

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