General Election 12 December.

[Anna B 1,401]

12 hours ago, lottiecass said:

No need for the wake up call flanker, no party would dare sell the nhs, it would be political suicide.

It won't be obvious, it will be done covertly, in dribs and drabs, something the Conservatives excell at. After 10 years of Tory rule there are already areas of the nhs which have been privatised, the most notable being the care system which is in the hands of private companies and in such a mess. Care homes charging extortionate amounts for comparatively little, and home care giving unsatisfactory care to clients (this is not a slur on the hardworking carers, but a system which doesn't allow enough time to do a good job because the bottom line is profit,) is purely down to privatisation.

 

Did you vote for Thatcher to sell off all our Utilities which were never hers to sell? Or privatise the railways, shipbuilding, Royal Mail etc and most of our manufacturing (what was left of it) to private companies? Did you even know about it? One thing the Tories are excellent at is propoganda and spin which they use to great effect to cover their tracks. 

Edited December 8, 2019 by Anna B

[apelike 10]

4 hours ago, Pettytom said:

The Russian interference is part of a wider strategy to spread chaos throughout the rest of the world. 

But is it as it seems a bit illogical? If chaos is what Russia is aiming for then Russia will also be severely affected by it as it needs the rest of the world to trade with to survive. The sanctions imposed on Russia by the US and EU have already had a severe impact on Russia and are still in force and any chaos will make it worse for them.

 

4 hours ago, Pettytom said:

So far, they are doing pretty well. Trump is in the White House. Brexit is playing havoc with Europe.. Both of those elections were Russian influenced 

There is data suggesting Russia had interfered with the US elections but as to what extent they influenced them is not known or quantifiable. As far as the UK is concerned how much influence Russia had on the EU referendum is also not known or quantifiable. Basically people are just guessing about the impact and coming up with Russia as the baddies. 

 

4 hours ago, Pettytom said:

There is heavy Russian money backing Johnson’s campaign. If he gets a majority, I guess they will be delighted.

Is there, what is the source of that information?

[Pettytom 1]

2 minutes ago, apelike said:

Is there, what is the source of that information?

I have no intention of spoon feeding you. Large donations to political parties is a matter of public record.

 

Go and look for yourself.

[apelike 10]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Did you vote for Thatcher to sell off all our Utilities which were never hers to sell? Or privatise the railways, shipbuilding, Royal Mail etc and most of our manufacturing (what was left of it) to private companies?

The utilities were in state ownership so Thatcher being in charge of the country and state by proxy had the the power to make the decisions to sell them off. 

 

 

 

[apelike 10]

14 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I have no intention of spoon feeding you. Large donations to political parties is a matter of public record.

 

Go and look for yourself.

I have and can see Russians now based in the UK giving money but can't see where there is Russian money or any source for that claim. As you have said it's a matter of public record and that shows Russian oligarchs have given donations to the Conservative but the donations have not come from Russia. Russian oligarchs have also bought companies and football teams in the UK and the US as well.

 

Don't forget that it was you who stated it was Russian money.

Edited December 8, 2019 by apelike

[nikki-red 307]

1 hour ago, Pettytom said:

I have no intention of spoon feeding you. Large donations to political parties is a matter of public record.

 

Go and look for yourself.

Thats not how it works. If youre going to make claims please be prepared to back them up.

[Pettytom 1]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

I have and can see Russians now based in the UK giving money but can't see where there is Russian money or any source for that claim. As you have said it's a matter of public record and that shows Russian oligarchs have given donations to the Conservative but the donations have not come from Russia. Russian oligarchs have also bought companies and football teams in the UK and the US as well.

 

Don't forget that it was you who stated it was Russian money.

What a load of nonsense.

 

Where do you suppose the Russian oligarchs got their money?

[Anna B 1,401]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

The utilities were in state ownership so Thatcher being in charge of the country and state by proxy had the the power to make the decisions to sell them off. 

 

 

 

Public ownership. Thatcher may have had the power to sell off our Utilities, but did she have the right to do it? 

Half the country were Labour and didn't want them sold off.  (Brexit all over again...)  And as per the Tories the long term implications were covered up.

Edited December 8, 2019 by Anna B

[Albert the Cat 0]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Public ownership. Thatcher may have had the power to sell off our Utilities, but did she have the right to do it? 

Half the country were Labour and didn't want them sold off.  (Brexit all over again...)  And as per the Tories the long term implications were covered up.

You should be asking better questions instead of sheer nonsense.  The answer is YES, the governement of the day had every right to do as they please with governement owned enterprises.  Roll forward to today, that even includes, believe it or not, the NHS.

[Anna B 1,401]

1 hour ago, Albert the Cat said:

You should be asking better questions instead of sheer nonsense.  The answer is YES, the governement of the day had every right to do as they please with governement owned enterprises.  Roll forward to today, that even includes, believe it or not, the NHS.

  So in spite of his many and varied reassurances that 'the NHS is not for sale,' if Boris has lied through his teeth to win the election, (imagine that...)  there is no redress when he actually sells it? 

 

Thanks for spelling that out for people.

 

So much for Democracy. What has our political system become?

Edited December 8, 2019 by Anna B

[apelike 10]

3 hours ago, Pettytom said:

What a load of nonsense.

No, the nonsense is trying to blame everything you don't like that is happening on the Russians.

 

3 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Where do you suppose the Russian oligarchs got their money?

From a British bank or do you think they paid in Roubles? Many British people here have made money abroad and yet donated. Many US owned corporations and very rich US businessmen also gave money to the remain camp but does that matter? All that matters is it was not illegal to do so and was declared in accordance to the laws laid out. 

[crookesjoe 10]

9 hours ago, Mister Gee said:

Why do you think the Russians want Brexit?

I never said "Russians" wanted Brexit. Why would you just randomly say that? Bizarre...

 

Edited December 8, 2019 by crookesjoe
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