General Election 12 December.

[Anna B 1,401]

3 minutes ago, Obelix said:

No you really cannot. It is not reasonable or sensible to take a paper that is largely different from others and cast findings from that to all other papers. That is a funadmental error in critical thinking on your part.

 

It is reasonable to say that the Mail has a large influence and that influence is wrong. But that doesn't let you claim that it applies to all papers.

I was getting petrol at a garage the other day. There was the usual stand outside selling all the popular newspapers. All of them barr one carried a front page, visable from far off, slagging off Corbyn. You don't have to buy the newspapers to be influenced by them.

[geared 302]

Latest YouGov polls have Labour desperately far behind.

 

Worst loss since World War 2 is being predicted, barely 200 seats.

[Obelix 11]

26 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I was getting petrol at a garage the other day. There was the usual stand outside selling all the popular newspapers. All of them barr one carried a front page, visable from far off, slagging off Corbyn. You don't have to buy the newspapers to be influenced by them.

So?

 

I mean you were talking about systemic bias and then used one paper to justify that. Thats a failure in critical thinking.

 

You now use one selection of papers at one time, to justify systemic bias. That is another failure in critical thinking.

9 minutes ago, geared said:

Latest YouGov polls have Labour desperately far behind.

 

Worst loss since World War 2 is being predicted, barely 200 seats.

It's a shame that the Corbyn supporters cannot see it. There is an abject faliure of leadership at the top of the Labour party and it's going to cost them huge.

 

Her Majesty official opposition need to do a bit of well, opposing. They've failed in the last three years to do anything and thats not healthy for them or the country at large and we are all going to pay the price for it.

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1 hour ago, Anna B said:

I was getting petrol at a garage the other day. There was the usual stand outside selling all the popular newspapers. All of them barr one carried a front page, visable from far off, slagging off Corbyn. You don't have to buy the newspapers to be influenced by them.

Don't get your point.  I deal with and read a lot of things with a pro Labour, Pro Corbyn bias.  I'm not influenced.

[Padders 2,849]

52 minutes ago, Anna B said:

I was getting petrol at a garage the other day. There was the usual stand outside selling all the popular newspapers. All of them barr one carried a front page, visable from far off, slagging off Corbyn. You don't have to buy the newspapers to be influenced by them.

And they don't display the Financial Times on petrol forecourts...….

 

Labour has received the firm backing of 163 prominent economists who say the party understands the nations deep seated problems, and has devised a serious programme for dealing with them, in a letter published in the Financial Times , the group said Labour plans to invest in homes, schools, and infrastructure to make "basic economic sense" partly because borrowing costs are at a historic low..

They called for a Labour government to urgently repair Britains economy which has, for too long, prioritised consumption over investment, short term financial returns, over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services....

While some sections of the media have portrayed Jeremy Corbyns plans as radical, the 163 economists who signed the letter, pointed out that a number of Labours proposals are considered orthodox in other wealthy social democratic countries.

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11 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

Don't get your point.  I deal with and read a lot of things with a pro Labour, Pro Corbyn bias.  I'm not influenced.

But people are, they arent, sadly, too hard to find.  Just because you aren't it doesn't mean other aren't either.

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7 hours ago, Baron99 said:

So Labour have upped the tree planting anti by the political parties  by 'claiming' they would plant TWO BILLION trees in England, (note only England) by 2040 if they win the general election. 

 

My first thought is why do politicians need to win elections in order to plant trees?  As Friends of the Earth point out, this is 270,000 trees per day, every day? 

 

My second thought is, was it Diane Abbott who has come up with the 2 billion trees figure & not thought it through again? 

If 'Billion' was a species of tree, and Labour said they would plant two Billion trees, Diane Abbott would still struggle to explain the maths.

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The BBC headline states, "Labour to change strategy with two weeks to go." 

 

Maybe if they change the leader, they might be on to a winner? 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50580699

 

As for trying to con voters who are deserting Labour in the Labour heartlands in droves over NOT only Labour's Brexit stance, (but Labour wants you to believe this is the only reason & the activist can't handle the reality & truth themselves that voters have many, many reasons to dislike the thought of a Corbyn led Labour government), by flooding leave constituencies with high profile shadow cabinet members who back a Leave deal rather than Remain.

 

Voters aren't going to fall for that one. 

Edited November 28, 2019 by Baron99

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12 minutes ago, Baron99 said:

The BBC headline states, "Labour to change strategy with two weeks to go." 

 

Maybe if they change the leader, they might be on to a winner? 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50580699

 

As for trying to con voters who are deserting Labour in the Labour heartlands in droves over NOT only Labour's Brexit stance, (but Labour wants you to believe this is the only reason & the activist can't handle the reality & truth themselves that voters have many, many reasons to dislike the thought of a Corbyn led Labour government), by flooding leave constituencies with high profile shadow cabinet members who back a Leave deal rather than Remain.

 

Voters aren't going to fall for that one. 

Why? They were certainly suckered into the nonsense that is brexit lol

[hobinfoot 25]

I’ve just watched an interview on Look North with an elderly woman and her daughter. She said she was brought up a socialist but would be voting for the tory Party her daughter said the same because of brexit. You could see the pain they were feeling.

[Anna B 1,401]

6 hours ago, Padders said:

And they don't display the Financial Times on petrol forecourts...….

 

Labour has received the firm backing of 163 prominent economists who say the party understands the nations deep seated problems, and has devised a serious programme for dealing with them, in a letter published in the Financial Times , the group said Labour plans to invest in homes, schools, and infrastructure to make "basic economic sense" partly because borrowing costs are at a historic low..

They called for a Labour government to urgently repair Britains economy which has, for too long, prioritised consumption over investment, short term financial returns, over long-term innovation, rising asset values over rising wages, and deficit reduction over the quality of public services....

While some sections of the media have portrayed Jeremy Corbyns plans as radical, the 163 economists who signed the letter, pointed out that a number of Labours proposals are considered orthodox in other wealthy social democratic countries.

Thankyou padders. It's interesting that this hasn't made the News at all, yet today's News is full of the IFS  report criticising Labours plans.

Edited November 28, 2019 by Anna B

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16 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

I’ve just watched an interview on Look North with an elderly woman and her daughter. She said she was brought up a socialist but would be voting for the tory Party her daughter said the same because of brexit. You could see the pain they were feeling.

It will be nowhere near the pain they will be feeling if they help elect an unfettered Johnson government.

 

Who will they blame then?