General Election 12 December.

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2 hours ago, melthebell said:

Last night I couldn't sleep, so went downstairs for a couple of hours and put the news on (sky) god it was wall to wall Chief rabbi said this, Jeremy Corbyn didn't apologise constant. No mention of the rabbi being a long standing friend of Boris Johnson

Chris Williamson was right on the money on this issue when he said that Labour should stop being so apologetic over the antisemitism attacks. This has nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with trying to undermine the Labour Party and Corbyn in particular. Pandering to it won’t make it go away, it will just prolong it.

 

Corbyn should have had the balls to point out that the majority of British Jews are secular so the Conservative supporting Chief Rabbi doesn’t even represent the majority of British Jews.

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23 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Chris Williamson was right on the money on this issue when he said that Labour should stop being so apologetic over the antisemitism attacks. This has nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with trying to undermine the Labour Party and Corbyn in particular. Pandering to it won’t make it go away, it will just prolong it.

 

Corbyn should have had the balls to point out that the majority of British Jews are secular so the Conservative supporting Chief Rabbi doesn’t even represent the majority of British Jews.

I agree, they need to grow a pair and go on the attack instead of groveling, if normal people can find out the 'real'motive for the rabbis attack then why don't they have somebody digging for information to use as a weapon?

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37 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Chris Williamson was right on the money on this issue when he said that Labour should stop being so apologetic over the antisemitism attacks. This has nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with trying to undermine the Labour Party and Corbyn in particular. Pandering to it won’t make it go away, it will just prolong it.

 

Corbyn should have had the balls to point out that the majority of British Jews are secular so the Conservative supporting Chief Rabbi doesn’t even represent the majority of British Jews.

And yet a recent survey of around 750 jews - both religious and secular - conducted by YouGov found that only 7% identify as Labour supporters, whereas in 2010 (I think), nearly two thirds voted Labour.

 

 

14 minutes ago, melthebell said:

I agree, they need to grow a pair and go on the attack instead of groveling, if normal people can find out the 'real'motive for the rabbis attack then why don't they have somebody digging for information to use as a weapon?

What's the real motive?  Some kind of jewish plot?  Damn those pesky jews, huh?

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1 minute ago, bendix said:

And yet a recent survey of around 750 jews - both religious and secular - conducted by YouGov found that only 7% identify as Labour supporters, whereas in 2010 (I think), nearly two thirds voted Labour.

 

 

Did it say why? Lots of reasons why people change allegiance

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Just now, melthebell said:

Did it say why? Lots of reasons why people change allegiance

Dunno.  At a guess it will be because jews love austerity.

 

I'm struggling to think of any other reason why they might be deterred from voting Labour  . . . 

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3 minutes ago, bendix said:

And yet a recent survey of around 750 jews - both religious and secular - conducted by YouGov found that only 7% identify as Labour supporters, whereas in 2010 (I think), nearly two thirds voted Labour.

 

 

What's the real motive?  Some kind of jewish plot?  Damn those pesky jews, huh?

Those pesky mates of Boris using underhanded tactics and deceit more like

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You got it melthebell. It's all a massive jewish conspiracy .

 

(Do you see where we are going here?)

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38 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Chris Williamson was right on the money on this issue when he said that Labour should stop being so apologetic over the antisemitism attacks. This has nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with trying to undermine the Labour Party and Corbyn in particular. Pandering to it won’t make it go away, it will just prolong it.

 

Corbyn should have had the balls to point out that the majority of British Jews are secular so the Conservative supporting Chief Rabbi doesn’t even represent the majority of British Jews.

Deflecting criticism seems to be the lefts way of dealing with this. If Corbyn had dealt with the anti Semites in the party at the beginning it wouldn’t be a problem now. Until he grows a pair it’s not going away.

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4 hours ago, alchresearch said:

One thing you're missing in all this - the Tories were invited to sign up to Labour for £3 and vote for Corbyn.

 

If he's such a threat to them, why vote for him?

 

2015 was too soon for people to forgive Centrist Labour.    But if they had took Burnham as their leader, I don't think Labour would be in the mess its in today.

 

Labour's main problem is that its no longer just fighting the Tories. Its fighting battles on so many sides and fragmented itself - The Tories, The Lib Dems, their own Leave & Remain supporters, the Leave & Remain Labour MPs, the MPs who don't support Corbyn, the Jews, "Blairite" Labour supporters.

You'd think they'd unite to fight a common enemy, but that's sadly not the case, they're all at each others throats. So until they get their house in order and have some unity, I won't be joining them., and neither will so many "Blairites" as you so nicely call us.

Well they're not voting for him now are they?

 

What would be the point of voting Labour with Andy Burnham in charge, if it's just going to be more Blairite LabourLite and no different to the Tories? Corbyn offered a change in direction which was necessary and which people wanted. His message is being overshadowed by negative propaganda and abuse.

 

Yes, the Labour party is split, but so are the Conservatives what with Brexit and everything. Politics are a total mess but that's largely thanks to Cameron and the Tories.

 

Corbyn's followers are loyal to a fault (Saint Jeremy?) but the Blairite faction are still hanging on to the past, but those times are gone. Blairites seem to ignore the difference the Conservatives 'Austerity' program has made to ordinary people, and it's going to get worse if the Tories win. It is this JC is trying to address.

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17 minutes ago, bendix said:

You got it melthebell. It's all a massive jewish conspiracy .

 

(Do you see where we are going here?)

Try all you like you're not digging me into that hole

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I don't need to.  You're doing a sterling job yourself.

 

When everyone except the most loyal Labourite diehard can see the surge in anti-semitism in the Party, when Corbyn would rather look foolish on prime time tv than deign to apologise for some of the actions of his Party members, when jewish support of the party is at an alltime low, when jewish MPs are leaving the party and explaining clearly why - well, you guys are totally in denial.  Hell's bells, even the EHRC have deemed it worth investigating.  Can y ou name the only other party they have ever investigated?  The BNP.

 

And when challenged, it's all dismissed as a right wing media conspiracy, or 'Boris's pals', or it's blamed on online trolls who are masquerading as Corbynites.

 

It's quite extraordinary.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Well they're not voting for him now are they?

 

What would be the point of voting Labour with Andy Burnham in charge, if it's just going to be more Blairite LabourLite and no different to the Tories? Corbyn offered a change in direction which was necessary and which people wanted. His message is being overshadowed by negative propaganda and abuse.

 

Yes, the Labour party is split, but so are the Conservatives what with Brexit and everything. It's a total mess but that's largely thanks to Cameron and the Tories.

 

Corbyn's followers are loyal to a fault (Saint Jeremy?) but the Blairite faction are still hanging on to the past, but those times are gone. They seem to ignore the difference the Conservatives 'Austerity' program has made to ordinary people, and it's going to get worse if the Tories win. It is this JC is trying to address.

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Because under another leader Labour may have a chance to obtain power. you cant do anything in opposition except whine and moan.